Safe storage of gas cans, and sensible amount.

[Tengu]

I have not worked out how my Fathers kitchen works; nor am I sure I want to.

For a start, its more tool shed than kitchen.

And there is no proper cooker; its all gadgets.

(He has told me he does not like gadgets but Nephew seems to like getting him the latest `As Seen on TV` device...and some of them we have really taken to, such as the thingy that heats up just one cup of boiling water at a time; that we do like...others...)

A gadget he seems to have a particular love of is the cassette type camp stove.

And he gets the gas from Argos. Me, I suspect he is paying too much.

(He does not worry his head about such things)

(Would we all be as well off as my Dad. No financial worries there...)

So I offered to get him a bulk buy off of Ebay, and he is doubtful, storing so much gas.

(Fine talk from someone whose home is not the safest...or, as I just explained, the most ergonomic)


so, how much gas would you regard as safe to store?

 

[British Red]

so, how much gas would you regard as safe to store?

We store multiple 19kg cylinders but in an outdoor gas store. I wouldn't be worried about storing a dozen small gas cylinders

 

[Tengu]

But, say, more than a dozen?

 

[Glow_worm]

It depends where you store them. In a cupboard in a cramped, cluttered kitchen a load of cheap flimsy gas cartridges are going to rapidly accelerate a house fire in the event one started. In an old brick outhouse down the garden, a bulk buy of a few hundred will be of no risk to anyone.

We store multiple 19kg cylinders but in an outdoor gas store.

I seem to be the only person who favours 19kg cylinders over the 47s, glad I'm not!

 

[Falstaff]

I see Calor have brought the smaller "caravan/boat" bottle sizes back. Originally announced they were no longer going to sell or use them in the uk, "economics" but I suspected this was due to Govt influence re popular terrorist methods abroad.
Anybody know how/why they brought back? They seemed immune to the outcry from boats and cartavan owners. Or have prices shot up to cover the "economics"?

 

[Pattree]

But, say, more than a dozen?

How do the supermarkets and places like Go store them? They buy then by the hundred or the gross even?

You could ask.

 

[Broch]

I haven't done the maths (sorry) but I suspect it would be cheaper and safer to buy a single burner like the one below and buy the gas in the larger bottles. Those 'camp stove' gas canisters are expensive for the amount of gas in them.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0002DF17W/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

(apologies, I know this wasn't the question you asked!)

 

[Toddy]

The thing with the wee cassette stoves is the handy ease and size.

They're simplicity themselves, no tubes or cables. Just a wee flat stable stove that you click a bottle of gas into. Easy switch on and off, no fuss or bother.
Easy to change.

The bottles stack tidily together in packs of four. Kept wrapped and someplace dry, they're fine.

One bottle burns for a good hour on full on. So, figure out how much Dad's using over a week and maybe have two or three weeks worth in the cupboard.

It they're stacking up long enough to even look like they're going to rust, then he has too many.

 

[slowworm]

The cassette type stoves are far more stable that the burner/bottle - I have both.

The cassette gas cans can be picked up cheaply, Millets or other such shops can sell them for £1 - £1.50.

As for storage, I don't know. You're insurance might have a limit but if you ask they are unlikely to know what it is!

I've never seen anything that mentions gas storage. Petrol yes, shooters powders yes, but not gas.

 

[British Red]

It depends where you store them. In a cupboard in a cramped, cluttered kitchen a load of cheap flimsy gas cartridges are going to rapidly accelerate a house fire in the event one started. In an old brick outhouse down the garden, a bulk buy of a few hundred will be of no risk to anyone.




I seem to be the only person who favours 19kg cylinders over the 47s, glad I'm not!

47s are a pain to shift. We use 2 x 19s with an auto change over for cooking & its easy to swap as needed. I can run the generator on them too.

 

[Tengu]

Well, this is Dads way of doing things.

No matter economics, or ergonomics.

its his way.

 

[Glow_worm]

@British Red yes, 47kgs offer little financial saving and are a pain logistically. And 19kgs are a big saving over 13kgs, I feel sorry for people like narrowboaters with small gas lockers forced to use them!

 

[Tengu]

The thing with the wee cassette stoves is the handy ease and size.

They're simplicity themselves, no tubes or cables. Just a wee flat stable stove that you click a bottle of gas into. Easy switch on and off, no fuss or bother.
Easy to change.

The bottles stack tidily together in packs of four. Kept wrapped and someplace dry, they're fine.

One bottle burns for a good hour on full on. So, figure out how much Dad's using over a week and maybe have two or three weeks worth in the cupboard.

It they're stacking up long enough to even look like they're going to rust, then he has too many.

Thanks guys.

Thats sound advice Toddy.

 

[birchwood]

@Falstaff they originally said they could not refill them and we’re only going to stock and refill the larger size bottles.
Due to pressure () from every boat and caravan owner that had no locker space , (me included) for larger cylinders they have had a re- think.

 

[GreyCat]

@Tengu

In the world of workplace health and safety, this is how we do it:

Secure ventilated store (can be mesh, or a brick building with good through draft), outside away from the building and courses of ignition, "no smoking" signs on door. Cylinders secured so they don't fall over and it's good practice to put full ones on one side and empties on the other. A "flammable" diamond sign on the door (can use either the GHS or the ADR signs, the regulations have become a bit vague on that point and either are acceptable).

Also remember that LPG sinks and accumulates in drains until a spark finds it, so keep the store away from the drains.

That's good for a bigger inventory than I suspect you will be able to buy in one go.

GC