Still doesn't require a licence to hold AFAIK. That's handy as it means it doesn't need locking away, so easier to store for those who use a fair bit.
Old West Firearm question
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quite apart from anything else, Black Powder as a propellant is Hygroscopic ie it will literally suck moisture out the air so keeping ammo clean and dry was REALLY importantJust watching " 3:10 to Yuma" on Netflix
So an Old West period movie.
My question is more specific to the energy of the Firearm rounds had back in this day?
Modern day firearm rounds have fungible predictable 'power' or energy released that can obviously be measured with modern technology and the loading of each round is a known quantity.
The 9mm Bullet: 9x19mm Parabellum Definitive Guide
The 9mm, one of the most essential rounds in history, is covered in one of the most essential features - our 9mm Bullet: 9x19mm Parabellum Definitive Guidegunivore.com
So 9 mm Parabellum , a fairly ubiquitous round has an energy output of 567 to 676 Joules.
So does anyone know what a typical energy / joule output would be of revolver round back in the days of the Wild West?
I'm assuming the quality and refinement of the gunpowder was variable and due to tooling manufacture margins and tolerances within the handgun themselves were not as accurate meaning less energy transmitted.
So anyone have any knowledge on this?
I don’t know about the multiple formulae determining ‘ power’
I carried the 1911 in the service-
NOT the slight upgrade 1911a1. It was my grandfather’s US NAVY stamped, 4 digit From WW1
It’s grandfather was the .230 grain Scofield revolver load issued to the US Cavalry. The criteria? Founder a horse to stop opposing charges. The later Colt Single action used this same load. Civilians got the 255 grain with a double bite of the bullets tumbling after penetration.
The .45 acp reflects its ancestor in load.
Interesting, a old study of ACTUAL
One shot stopping hits in modern encounters had the 45 Colt and .357 magnum topping the list. A famed NYPD detective loaded a 405 grain in his first chambered round.
I also owned a Webley-Fosbury .455. I recreated the famed ‘man stopper load of a 300 grain reverse wad cutter ( cylindrical bullet with flat ends, base slightly concave) with an exaggerated concave point. I saw a round go down range, hit the red oak target base ( ok, I pulled the shot) and after a short shiver the entire thing topple over. Scared the bejesus out of the LEO shooting his new wunder 9 laughing at my Zardoz revolver.
Big bullets do what little bullets want to do
I carried the 1911 in the service-
NOT the slight upgrade 1911a1. It was my grandfather’s US NAVY stamped, 4 digit From WW1
It’s grandfather was the .230 grain Scofield revolver load issued to the US Cavalry. The criteria? Founder a horse to stop opposing charges. The later Colt Single action used this same load. Civilians got the 255 grain with a double bite of the bullets tumbling after penetration.
The .45 acp reflects its ancestor in load.
Interesting, a old study of ACTUAL
One shot stopping hits in modern encounters had the 45 Colt and .357 magnum topping the list. A famed NYPD detective loaded a 405 grain in his first chambered round.
I also owned a Webley-Fosbury .455. I recreated the famed ‘man stopper load of a 300 grain reverse wad cutter ( cylindrical bullet with flat ends, base slightly concave) with an exaggerated concave point. I saw a round go down range, hit the red oak target base ( ok, I pulled the shot) and after a short shiver the entire thing topple over. Scared the bejesus out of the LEO shooting his new wunder 9 laughing at my Zardoz revolver.
Big bullets do what little bullets want to do
Going back to the muzzle energy question, there should be recommended specifications for pretty much any combination of American firearms and ammunition published by SAAMI or European firearms by CIP, even for historical firearms. This doesn’t address the earlier percussion pistols that had interchangeable pre loaded cylinders.
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That ‘interchangeable’ percussion cylinder is a Hollywood gimmick dreamed up for PALE RIDER with ol razor blade eyes, anti firearm Clint Eastwood
Some energy info hereJust watching " 3:10 to Yuma" on Netflix
So an Old West period movie.
My question is more specific to the energy of the Firearm rounds had back in this day?
Modern day firearm rounds have fungible predictable 'power' or energy released that can obviously be measured with modern technology and the loading of each round is a known quantity.
The 9mm Bullet: 9x19mm Parabellum Definitive Guide
The 9mm, one of the most essential rounds in history, is covered in one of the most essential features - our 9mm Bullet: 9x19mm Parabellum Definitive Guide
So 9 mm Parabellum , a fairly ubiquitous round has an energy output of 567 to 676 Joules.
So does anyone know what a typical energy / joule output would be of revolver round back in the days of the Wild West?
I'm assuming the quality and refinement of the gunpowder was variable and due to tooling manufacture margins and tolerances within the handgun themselves were not as accurate meaning less energy transmitted.
So anyone have any knowledge on this?
As stated above black powder is classified as an explosive and nitro powders are propellants and a lot more stable .Both are shipped under the ADR regs for hazardous materials but are considered different ‘classes’
BP vs Nitro - 1.1D vs 1.4C for example