Is it worth it?

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Laurentius

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I can remember a good few and then some years back pouring scorn on expensive blades like Ray Mears knives and Gransfors Bruks axes but here I am a decade and some later forking out good money for custom blades. Now I still reckon Gransfors and co are a racket, but I have just forked out £170 including postage and age verification for an axe blade I commissioned months ago. Makes GB look cheap and nasty by comparison. I do like it though because it has something a commercial forge like GB does not have and that is it is individual and rough edged but made to a very high standard. I am talking about Alex Sowden and Hammer and Hound Forge.
 
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LOL - only you can answer that. I have not found a job in the woods that a GB axe does better than any of my restored British late 18th/early 19th century axes and they have much more 'soul'.

I paid a lot more than £170 for a days forging training to make my own unique axe and I consider that was well worth while, so I think having one made for you is both justifiable and worth it as long as you are happy with it.

A photo would be nice :)
 
I have not found a job in the woods that a GB axe does better than any of my restored British late 18th/early 19th century axes and they have much more 'soul'.

Agreed- I've made a living using old British edge tools, everything from delicate carving gouges to hewing axes. Also used a vintage Gransfors axe- no better or worse.

Two things at play here- steel quality/correct heat treatment, and correct weight/design of tool and handle for intended use. There will be something 'vintage' which fits the bill somewhere- and likely much cheaper and just as good as a new quality axe.

Oh, and don't forget handles make a huge difference due to variations in the human body, if you have the tools never be afraid to modify a handle to suit your hand size/arm length/particular use. I have huge hands and prefer handles chunkier where my hands will be, and thinned out in areas to lessen shock on impact tools.

The Grandsfors froe handles are hideous things- hickory. Used one for a full working day and could feel all my ligaments. Replaced it in ash and it became a reasonable tool (still a naff bevel angle though, but no effort to improve on the belt grinder).
 
I used to be a full-on GB axe junkie. Once I moved the first one on it was easy to rehome the other nine.
I’m not suffering too much though. Still got the one I forged with Dave Budd & also one that Dave forged unsupervised. Both cut beautifully & have more soul than the GB collection ever had.
Recently acquired a Robin Wood axe to fill the gap in between the other two.
One day at a time brethren.IMG_3671.jpeg
 
Yeah I was given a couple of old Elwells and can't fault them. One has a beautifully slender haft that is a pleasure to use.

At the other end I have a couple of B&Q Verve axes which were BLUNT new. Literally a flat edge. They are a bit soft but to be honest they split wood and sharpen up easily so no regrets. Not something to rely on in the wilderness but fine to abuse at home.

I also have a Prandi which is a decent piece of steel and nowhere near the price of a GB. I prefer the German head shape too.
 
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Forgive my uninformed inquisitiveness but ……….. why not?
Because if someone reads this thread and concludes they don't need a £150 Gransfors, clutters off to the snow clad middle of nowhere and dies because their £20 Verve axe breaks, chosen on the back of my recommendation, then I'd be unlikely to receive any feedback.

Break it at home so that you can come on the forum and tell me it's a pile of junk, a terrible recommendation and in the wrong circumstances could cause serious hardship.
 
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Gransfors expensive? HAH! Recalibrate your scale by checking out Hoffman Blacksmithing, for example...
 
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I can remember a good few and then some years back pouring scorn on expensive blades like Ray Mears knives and Gransfors Bruks axes but here I am a decade and some later forking out good money for custom blades. Now I still reckon Gransfors and co are a racket, but I have just forked out £170 including postage and age verification for an axe blade I commissioned months ago. Makes GB look cheap and nasty by comparison. I do like it though because it has something a commercial forge like GB does not have and that is it is individual and rough edged but made to a very high standard. I am talking about Alex Sowden and Hammer and Hound Forge.
I happen to know Alex. He's a very good smith indeed. Quite honestly I think you got a steal at £170 and Alex should probably be charging more.

Just look at Thornwood forge/ "Northmen/ John Neeman" , Josh Burrell and so on. All very high end stuff.


"Is it worth it?" Well that really comes down to us all personally. To me, the answer would be yes absolutely it's worth investing in good tools. (Which oddly differs from the answer I'd likely have given 10 years ago too)

Can I personally justify the cost? No not really at the minute.

It's an interesting question though.

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Andy
 
If I need a working axe I'll go and buy a Fiskars' modern one. If some style is needed I might consider some of the more rustic ones available. If I can afford it for the intended purpose it is kind of worth it.
 
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All this depends on just how much you have to spend, some people are fairly minted and willing to fork a fair old wedge out for a tool.
Some just want something that works and would like to keep the rooof over their kids heads while they get that.
There are some great axes and especially knives with amazing steels for less than custom makers prices.
You pays yer money and takes yer choice.
Depends on what you feel you need.
I have large hands but find knives with big fat grips a bit numb so production stuff is fine with me.
Some people complain things "Look like it would cause hotspots" but I work with odd shaped stuff all the time and don't have fairy soft hands, it doesn't seem much of an issue for me.

I have some very nice indeedy carpentry tools but I'm quite obsessive about never leaving them on site at night. My van looks as rough as, so people don't look at it and think its got thousands of quids worth of tools in it.
So far it's not been broken into so I've not had to replace nicked tools, just worn out tools.
That means I can justify paying more for the posh kit.
 
"Is it worth it?" is a very loaded question. For some, the process of saving for a specific tool - and I imagine that 'tools' are what are under discussion here - means that, psychologically, it will be 'better' than an off-the-peg equivalent.

The cited tool under discussion, the axe, is a good example. GB established a significant hold on the market thanks to Mr Mears's endorsement, their perceived quality, modestly elevated prices and comparative scarcity back in the day. These factors made their axes desirable. They are still useful, functioning tools but there is that perpetual quest for something scarce that is also 'better'.

I fell for the GB mystique but soon realised that my first - the popular Small Forest axe - was a compromise too far: I felt that it didn't do much, well. So, my quest began to find an axe that was 'better'. Every one I tried did the jobs satisfactorily but lacked that indefinable je-ne-sais-quoi.

Eventually, I was led to Thorn Wood Forge and there I currently rest. Their axes are expensive but, in use, they provide an ease and precision for which I was searching. Given that, I would say, "Yes, it was worth it" because I now have an axe that I trust entirely but which is also a delight to use. That last is something on which you cannot put a price.

Some folk may try a Thorn Wood axe and wonder what all the fuss is about. That's their prerogative and is a glorious celebration of the individual's needs and tastes. For them, the quest, if they are searching, goes on; others may 'get it', save for their numbered axe and delight in it when it arrives. For them, it is most definitely 'worth it'.

However you look at it, there is not - and can never be - a 'right' or a 'wrong' answer and that's what makes the choice of tools so varied, so exciting.
 
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If I need a working axe I'll go and buy a Fiskars' modern one. If some style is needed I might consider some of the more rustic ones available. If I can afford it for the intended purpose it is kind of worth it.
I have a Fiskars axe beaten to buggery it is well nicked and chipped but it has no style, the thing is I am in a position to afford a custom axe now so why shouldn't I?
 
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This seems like a good place to ask the question; if I did want a really high quality, traditional English hatchet/axe, which brands or names should I be looking at?
 

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