I'm looking for a crook knife to finish off Kuksa's and stuff. I'm looking at the old school bent handle ones...anyone got a source or can make one for me.?
I'm in the market for a crook knife
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I've got one for sale in the For sales thread.
http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=134956
### sorry my bad , not enough coffee yet this morning!!! not a bent handle one!! apologies!! ###
http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=134956
### sorry my bad , not enough coffee yet this morning!!! not a bent handle one!! apologies!! ###
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highly reccomend
Ben Orford is the only one I have seen with indian crook knives. I bought a blade off Dave budd and put a handle on it myself and he advised me to be cautious with larger handles as they can put to much stress on the blade. He also advised me to use gouges and I probably use them more than the crook knives now.
What do you mean by 'bent handle'?
I suspect you are after a 'spoon carving knife', not a crook knife. Quite a lot of the crook knives have a straight blade - it is at an angle to the handle, and fulfills many of the uses of a spokeshave or drawknife. Sometimes they have a slight upward curve to the tip.
If you want to finish off the inside of kuksas, spoons, etc, then you need a spoon knife. Dave budd's are excellent, Robin Wood is also making some that look good (I've not used one, but Robin won't be selling rubbish).
The mora double-edge ones don't work so well. I have one and it is better since I reprofiled it, but still not a patch on the blade I bought from Dave.
I suspect you are after a 'spoon carving knife', not a crook knife. Quite a lot of the crook knives have a straight blade - it is at an angle to the handle, and fulfills many of the uses of a spokeshave or drawknife. Sometimes they have a slight upward curve to the tip.
If you want to finish off the inside of kuksas, spoons, etc, then you need a spoon knife. Dave budd's are excellent, Robin Wood is also making some that look good (I've not used one, but Robin won't be selling rubbish).
The mora double-edge ones don't work so well. I have one and it is better since I reprofiled it, but still not a patch on the blade I bought from Dave.
I have a few, I started with a couple of mora's but found them quite clunky. I then went for one of Ben Orfords open sweep Crook knives. This was much better but the blade is still quite thick and seems to bite a bit deeper than I'd like.
Next was robin woods Crook knife, compound curve, so good for getting into the bottom of deeper stuff. It has a much longer handle which I find very handy and the blade came ridiculously sharp. I'll find a link when I get a sec.
Next was robin woods Crook knife, compound curve, so good for getting into the bottom of deeper stuff. It has a much longer handle which I find very handy and the blade came ridiculously sharp. I'll find a link when I get a sec.
This is my mocotaugan. Bog Oak, few thousand years old.
My Mora is very good as well, but I had to modify it a bit, smooth it into a rounded bevel, and break the tip off.
Im going to make some basketweave sheaths for them, along with a knife.
My Mora is very good as well, but I had to modify it a bit, smooth it into a rounded bevel, and break the tip off.
Im going to make some basketweave sheaths for them, along with a knife.
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New or used, revise the bevel of a farrier's hoof-trimming knife to 12 degrees.
You get both a crooked knife with a progressive sweep and the scorp-like tip in the bargain.
Look for Mora/Frost #171, 188, Hall, Ukal/Supervet and Diamond #271.
I use them all, mostly rehafting the blades as PacNW style carving tools.
The Mocotaugan knives can be crooked 3 ways: sweep, haft and alignment.
In eastern North America, they are planing blades for snowshoe and pack frames
as well as canow ribs and thwarts. Not wood carving, per se.
You get both a crooked knife with a progressive sweep and the scorp-like tip in the bargain.
Look for Mora/Frost #171, 188, Hall, Ukal/Supervet and Diamond #271.
I use them all, mostly rehafting the blades as PacNW style carving tools.
The Mocotaugan knives can be crooked 3 ways: sweep, haft and alignment.
In eastern North America, they are planing blades for snowshoe and pack frames
as well as canow ribs and thwarts. Not wood carving, per se.
I wonder if something like this would work.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Professio...fset-blades-/140914966860?hash=item20cf2fc14c
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Professio...fset-blades-/140914966860?hash=item20cf2fc14c
That's exactly what I'm talking about.
I expect for farrier service, the bevel is about 25 degrees.
I begin with a 7/32" chainsaw file and scrub the bevel down to 12 degrees, even inside the scorp tip.
400, 600, 800 & 1500 grit sandpapers on 3/4" or smaller rods to clean that up.
Hone with something like CrOx/AlOx scribbled on thin card stock.
You will get an edge which can cut you so quickly that you wno't hardly feel it for 5 seconds.
I expect for farrier service, the bevel is about 25 degrees.
I begin with a 7/32" chainsaw file and scrub the bevel down to 12 degrees, even inside the scorp tip.
400, 600, 800 & 1500 grit sandpapers on 3/4" or smaller rods to clean that up.
Hone with something like CrOx/AlOx scribbled on thin card stock.
You will get an edge which can cut you so quickly that you wno't hardly feel it for 5 seconds.
Once i get the feel for the Mora Teedee is selling i may look into one of those farrier knifes for other jobs. Thanks Robson.
if it was a bowl knife it was probably one of my Blades tho I haven't made any for him in a long time his bowl blades he makes in Sheffield as i couldn't do the Qtys he needed
BTW i consider a Scandinavian Spoon Knives (Crook Knife) used to hollow spoon bowls ie shaped like a Sheppard crook
and a Crooked Knife the N american indian Blade of with there are 2 types form different areas
North American Indian Mocotaugan (Crooked Knife) blades a great GP Carving tool
North American Indian Haida (Crooked Knife) blades a useful double edged carving tools used on the west coast for Totem poles etc
ATB
Duncan
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The farrier's hoof knives come in both right and left-handed configurations. Often, the LH knife is hard to find.
Hindsight tells me to buy a pair. Four pairs later, my opinion hasn't changed.
Please find your local farrier and see if you can get a used knife. Plenty of steel left for wood carving.
For example: A new R or L Hall (Canada) farrier's knife costs me $50 each. Used from the local farrier, $5. You do the math.
I have built up a Mocotaugan knife from a Sheffield blade of the Hudson's Bay Company pattern. Looks like 1750's or so.
Not very useful in Pacific Northwest carving in western red cedar, as I have done for years.
Pacific Northwest style crooked carving knives are more versatile than just carving poles (how tedious.)
Ideal for smaller carvings (masks, rattles and feast dishes) with delicate details.
As shaping tools, the elbow adze is a "bandsaw on a stick" while the D adze can cut 1mm or less.
Look here for examples:
http://kestreltool.com/index.html
Also, Google this: UBC/MOA
That takes you to the University of British Columbia Museum of Anthropology.
You can sift/search/scan the online collection of 40,000+ objects.
Hindsight tells me to buy a pair. Four pairs later, my opinion hasn't changed.
Please find your local farrier and see if you can get a used knife. Plenty of steel left for wood carving.
For example: A new R or L Hall (Canada) farrier's knife costs me $50 each. Used from the local farrier, $5. You do the math.
I have built up a Mocotaugan knife from a Sheffield blade of the Hudson's Bay Company pattern. Looks like 1750's or so.
Not very useful in Pacific Northwest carving in western red cedar, as I have done for years.
Pacific Northwest style crooked carving knives are more versatile than just carving poles (how tedious.)
Ideal for smaller carvings (masks, rattles and feast dishes) with delicate details.
As shaping tools, the elbow adze is a "bandsaw on a stick" while the D adze can cut 1mm or less.
Look here for examples:
http://kestreltool.com/index.html
Also, Google this: UBC/MOA
That takes you to the University of British Columbia Museum of Anthropology.
You can sift/search/scan the online collection of 40,000+ objects.
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