How big is your bag?

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This question comes up a lot, and the key question to ask in turn is how long will you be out for and what sort of kit are you carrying? You could do a week with a 35L sack, but your pretty minimalist, its very warm or you've spent a lot of money on your sleeping bag, because spending £400 gets you a bag thats the size of a coke can. A cheap bag is the size of a bus, and so you need a 65L bag just for that.

Like Squidders I've got a Lowe Alpine bag, in this case a Liberty 70+20 (old school!) which is more than big enough, but with a very comfortable back system. The average cheap rucksack or surplus bag tends to have a minimalist type of strap system, and basic waist belt at best (which is where the bulk of your weight should be). I agree totally with Squidders - surplus is seldom the best way to get great comfort or flexibility (although the LA packs Endicotts is selling are very different from that - certainly worth looking at). Frankly, I find a lot of surplus kit too knacked, too uncomfortable, too expensive (compared with civvie stuff) and too heavy.

A 55 to 65L pack might be fine, and a quick look on Ebay might bring up an old school Karrimor for a decent sum (Podsac are selling off the last of their range - very solid, no frills, but good kit and now very decent prices). Go to your local Cotswolds and join their EXplorer card scheme. There are good reasons to do that anyway, but you also get the catalogue free. That means you can look at the packs size, weight, etc over a coffee and see what the market is like. Then you can look for a bargain. Buy once, buy right - so think about weight, dont worry about pockets, and try back system before hand if poss. EXpect to pay £80 new for a decent one.

As time goes on, you'll know exactly what works for you, and as your kit gets refined, then you'll tailor the bag to it (you'll probably end up with more than one bag). But I dont think you fill the bag just because you have the space available - its more about catering for the task, and trying to get lots of kit in a small bag doesn't really work. I'd rather have a slightly larger bag and be warm, than have a small bag, and then be cold, because of the amount of clothes etc I could fit in the bag.

Start with a decent size, and that gives you flexibility. Dont be afraid to get it wrong - we all do, and thats how we get to know what works.
 
What's the combined pack size of your sleeping system.add too this food, water n spare clothes..put these items in a heep on the floor and you'll know what size pack you'll need. If you've not got top of the range sleeping bags and inflating mattress(I ain't) etc theirs no way you can squeeze them into the smaller rucksacks.i suggest you get something around the 75 litre mark.hope this helps


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This ^ and as Old Bones says, it depends on the price you've paid on your sleeping bag.

For backpacking use, I can get all my kit in a 37 litre pack including a mountain tent and two days food. However a significant investnent, both in time and money has gone into paring the weight right down. For winter, then it'll go in a 50 litre pack. Generally though I'll lob it all into a 65 litre pack so it carries somewhat better and I can access odds and sods better with the extra pockets.
For bushcraft stuff, I go with sturdy rather than mega light. My sleeping bag is an old synthetic rather than down so I don't have to be so precious with it. I can get it all in a 40 litre molle pack but to be honest just tend to chuck it in my old Berghaus Vulcan and then just cinch in the side straps. The bigger bag just carries much better with the extra back length.

I used to spend ages getting kit as light as possible and trying to squeeze it into the smallest bag possible (the things backpackers brag about ;) ) now I've realised it's easier and cheaper just to get fitter!
 
I used to spend ages getting kit as light as possible and trying to squeeze it into the smallest bag possible (the things backpackers brag about ;) ) now I've realised it's easier and cheaper just to get fitter!

Considering I'm 48, with a dodgy back and lovehandles, that 'fitter' stuff might be a while!

Your right that there is a slight difference between bushcrafting and hiking (although its more of a contineum) - weight is generally more important in hiking/backpacking, but that makes sense when you think that someone might be walking 20 plus miles a day - every bit of weight starts to hurt when its on your back for so long. Most people aren't ultralight gram counters though (its just too much money and too much faff), but since kit has got lighter generally (hence the demise of Golite - it wasn't in a niche any longer), its a bit easier to go lighter/smaller than it once was. Even Ti is much less than it used to be.

Your totally right about the sleeping bag - thats the real secret. There was a thread on here last year about why DoE people have such huge packs. I suddenly realised it was about was available, and what was affordable. If your kid is going DoE, your going to borrow an old sleeping bag/rucksack, or your going to buy one at a cheapish price (because they are probably going to give it up the whole thing, wreck it, etc). I've just bought a Vango Nitestar 250 for my 10 year old for a PGL trip (OK - 3 season is a bit OTT for inside in May, but she's going to be usingit for Guides, etc). Its decent for less than £35, but its pretty much impossible to compress it down more than about 5% - the Hulk might do a bit better, but not much. My 20 plus year old Snugpak Osprey 12 packs down much smaller (but cost 3 times as much in 1994), even though its a 4 season (according to Snugpak!) synthetic bag, and a Mountain Hardware Lamina even smaller. As for down bags, probably down to a third of the size, or less.

If your using the Vango, or something like it, you need a 35L bag (at least) just for the Vango - hence the need for a 65L bag. Spend £100 and the bulk goes down. Spend £250, and the reduction will be really dramatic (hence the reason my next bag will be down, when I can afford it). And frankly I can't be bothered to play Tetris with packing either (good phrase!) - if its fits and I can lift it, fine. Which brings it all back to the original question - if it fits in all you'll need for the moment, then thats the one to get. Once the contents gets slimmed down, then you can do the same to the bag.
 
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Thanks again for all the feedback guys and girls. :You_Rock_

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The more helpful answer. For 1-2 nights in summer, I use a 30L pack. In winter so I can fit my winter sleeping bag, I expand it with a 20L dry bag.

If you are summer camping only, I would say 30-40L is ample. If you are doing 5+ days, then you may want to consider upping to 60L, anything above that will be unwieldy...

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I will see when I get all my kit together to see if you are right ;)

I like a big bag. Means you're not playing Tetris when trying to pack up in the rain.

Good way to describe it. Ha ha!
 
You've hit the nail on the head there fella, I think.
We were giving feedback to some d of e candidates who'd lugged some very heavy packs on a practice expedition (18 kg in some cases) so I packed a very small and light pack to show them how easy it was to lighten the load. Luckily I thought better before I showed off how much cash I'd thrown at my kit, otherwise known as the "my sleeping bag is a 650g down bag, yours is a 2.5 kg synthetic one" show.
I'm firmly behind the not playing Tetris idea too.
Re. Getting fitter: not far behind you either, in my 40s with arthritis in my back and the matching love handles but I am still far enough in denial that I'm not going to lighten my kit further spending a fortune in the process :)
 
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Re. Getting fitter: not far behind you either, in my 40s with arthritis in my back and the matching love handles but I am still far enough in denial that I'm going to lighten my kit further spending a fortune in the process

Its not denial, its just outsourcing 'reality'...works for me!
Yeah, I'd love spend a fortune too, but my daughter needs sleeping bags and stuff, so its bargain hunting....:)
 
Its not denial, its just outsourcing 'reality'...works for me!
Yeah, I'd love spend a fortune too, but my daughter needs sleeping bags and stuff, so its bargain hunting....:)
Sorry fella, typo on my part: missed the word not in the last bit of my post, d'oh!
With you about kitting out young ones. My lad currently uses my synthetic bag and I use my down when we camp. If we do more, I am tempted to try the cheaper snugpack range (traveller possibly?) for him.
 
Love the Tetris comment about getting gear into a pack and it highlights a curious problem of fitting a quart into a pint-pot that we have or will all face at some point.

Very often you'll find capacity figures stated for a pack sometimes bear little resemblance to its actual usable volume.
Sometimes I think it's a conspiracy between the makers of backpacks and sleeping bags so that you'll always need a bigger pack or a more expensive sleeping bag.
 
I know what you mean - kids and really nice kit is not something you can afford both at once!

To be fair, stuff from Blacks, supermarket, TKMaxx, etc is fine for them most of the time, although I have the feeling we are going to have kit them out with some sort of decent walking boots for a holiday in Scotland (my wife just looked at the cottage we are hiring on Google Streetview - she used the word 'desolate', so we are going to be doing a lot of walking), and I suspect thats going to cost more than my wife thinks it should.

As for me, most of my kit is at least 10 years old - so it gets replaced when its a) knackered, b) I can afford it. I look around for the best deals I can get (Outdoors magic's bargain Thread has been really handy), and really think about weight - an extra £20 made a lot of difference to the weight of tent I could buy. I would really recommend Kristin Hostetter's 'Don't Forget the Duct Tape' - just a penny on Amazon new and used, plsu postage. Lots of tips on cleaning, repairing and moding kit - so useful if you snag a second hand bargain. Her Backpacker Guide is a fancier version of the same thing (and even more useful), but the 2007 edition is a great start.

I like Snugpak, but mine has never been as warm as its supposed to be, so if I was going synthetic again, I'd think MH for me. On the other hand, the cheaper Snugpaks are much better value than a lot of the cheapie brands out there, so you get a lot for your money.

Sometimes I think it's a conspiracy between the makers of backpacks and sleeping bags so that you'll always need a bigger pack or a more expensive sleeping bag.
:)
 
45L is a good starting point for a weekend, a good tip is that its better to have a bigger bag with some room still left in it, than a smaller one filled to the brim. Stuffing too much into a small pack wont be comfortable to carry.
 
a good tip is that its better to have a bigger bag with some room still left in it, than a smaller one filled to the brim.

I think this is useful and goes somewhat against the current "thinking." There seems to be a current trend to small and light and "if you get a bigger bag you'll only fill it" and I think this is fine except for people starting out (myself) or those on a budget (myself).

I'm going with a rather large Snugpak sleeping bag and a Banshee 200 though my luxury is a Thermarest Neoair which is pretty small and light, I went with the large sized one for comfort. All of that alone goes a long way towards filling the main 55l compartment of my Sting. My cook system/fuel/pots/food etc. pretty much fill one side pocket and I keep my "gubbins" in the other one.

I could probably get all of this into a slightly smaller bag but there would be no advantage in doing this other than the amusement others would get from watching me trying to fit it all in. Also I have a 33l bag and would guess that my sleeping bag fills at least 2/3 of the main compartment, maybe more. Of course I could strap stuff onto the outside etc. but why bother when there is an easy solution to the problem?
 

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