Favorite Scientist. Rupert Sheldrake.
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To quote my infant son when a rather intense primary school teacher told him that God made everything,
"No he didn't. My Mum and Dad made me".
I think on that note, we'd best just keep religion out of things.
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"No he didn't. My Mum and Dad made me".
I think on that note, we'd best just keep religion out of things.
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What do you other scientists, make of Russell Targs talk? Im sure you could argue with what he is saying, but in the end you'd have to say he was just plain lying wouldnt you? I cannot see an alternative explanation for what he is stating. I dont think he is lying. Do you think its pure luck?
[Because basically what he is saying, that your mind can project outside of your body, is basically Rupert Sheldrakes theory isnt it?]
Haha! The mock-ed become the mockers!
[Because basically what he is saying, that your mind can project outside of your body, is basically Rupert Sheldrakes theory isnt it?]
Haha! The mock-ed become the mockers!
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I haven't heard Targ's but humanity has a huge brain compared to it's size, and we have an ability to concieve of ideas that are outwith our physical reality. We have a kind of 'empathy' (wrong word, but I can't think of one that fits, Pratchett's witches called it borrowing) with a form that allows us to somehow 'be' that form, to fly in a bird, to swim in a fish, to….well, you get the idea 
though we are quite obviously physically not, to our minds it can feel as though we are.
though we are quite obviously physically not, to our minds it can feel as though we are.Targ worked for the CIA and the pentagon for 23 years, him and a bunch of other physicists, doing remote viewing, and his evidence is not just compelling, its downright amazing!
For me it just confirms what Sheldrakes saying.....Touche! :swordfigh
For me it just confirms what Sheldrakes saying.....Touche! :swordfigh
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No he didn't. He says that they conceived it, not that they were actually present except in thought.
It's a known technique. It's how children are shown to see and feel what is not actually there, and importantly, to recognise the differences.
If the mind is not capable, it cannot do it. The difference is the perception, not Sheldrake's seperation.
It's the same thing that the Shaman's use too. From hunting to scrying
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It's a known technique. It's how children are shown to see and feel what is not actually there, and importantly, to recognise the differences.
If the mind is not capable, it cannot do it. The difference is the perception, not Sheldrake's seperation.
It's the same thing that the Shaman's use too. From hunting to scrying
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Brain and body are amazing. One example, ask someone to estimate the distance to an object. Then get them to throw a stone at it. Mostly the throw will be more accurate than the estimate. As to the blindfolded throwing, how many times were people allowed to throw after the object moved? if more than three then easy to work out where target should be. Time taken to move it, minute sounds, even involuntary sigh of person as they placed it etc. all clues.
Our dog, when we first got him, was on the lead walking past a hedge. He jumped sideways into the hedge and came out with a rabbit in his mouth. If they let themselves be humans are just as able.
Our dog, when we first got him, was on the lead walking past a hedge. He jumped sideways into the hedge and came out with a rabbit in his mouth. If they let themselves be humans are just as able.
The people who got more accurate when blindfolded were accurate with first throws and subsequent throws.
My theory (untested because it would have required putting earplugs in the throwers) is that in the hours of practise they had become very focused, all senses. Blindfolding them removed visual distractions and when the hackysack on the floor was moved, they heard it being placed and were locating it by sound. They were intently concentrating, had no other distractions.
It would be, if there was any evidence at all that it had worked. But pretty much everyone whose reviewed the work they did says there was no evidence at all, and that it was pseudoscience https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Targ . The CIA spent a lot of money on all sorts of things - that doesn't mean they were successful. As the declassified CIA says, there was no evidence of any actual intelligence being gathered.
Michael Shermer gives Sheldrakes theory a good kicking here: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ruperts-resonance/
Sheldrake responds that skeptics dampen the morphic field, whereas believers enhance it. Of Wiseman, he remarked: "Perhaps his negative expectations consciously or unconsciously influenced the way he looked at the subjects."
reminds me of this
[video=youtube;_Z0_n7tGnK0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z0_n7tGnK0[/video]
reminds me of this
[video=youtube;_Z0_n7tGnK0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z0_n7tGnK0[/video]
Old Bones, check this out. CIA declassified files. The CIA had an agent in a locked room, drawing whatever he wanted, and uri geller had to draw what he thought the agent was drawing in a controlled experiment, in another room.
How is it possible that he did those grapes?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38663522
How is it possible that he did those grapes?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38663522
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Despite the somewhat breathless coverage of this (the Wapo report being a little more down to earth - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-paranormal-abilities/?utm_term=.2b4bc73d43c7), you have to ask the question - why is Geller bending spoons on TV and selling new age jewels, rather than hunting down ISIS with his mind?
And since Geller has been unable to always replicate his abilities in either TV studios or under control conditions http://skepdic.com/geller.html ,you have to wonder what the truth of it is. Besides, the CIA reported that after all of the time and effort spent on stuff like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Men_Who_Stare_at_Goats , there was no evidence of any actual information gathered that was in anyway useful to the intelligence community. In short, I think people are looking for something that isn't really there.
And since Geller has been unable to always replicate his abilities in either TV studios or under control conditions http://skepdic.com/geller.html ,you have to wonder what the truth of it is. Besides, the CIA reported that after all of the time and effort spent on stuff like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Men_Who_Stare_at_Goats , there was no evidence of any actual information gathered that was in anyway useful to the intelligence community. In short, I think people are looking for something that isn't really there.
Geller is just a second rate mentalist nothing more
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mentalism
and from his own wiki page;
In An Encyclopedia of Claims, Frauds, and Hoaxes of the Occult and Supernatural, James Randi wrote: "Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ, who studied Mr. Geller at the Stanford Research Institute were aware, in one instance at least, that they were being shown a magician's trick by Geller." Moreover, Randi explained, "their protocols for this 'serious' investigation of the powers claimed by Geller were described by Dr. Ray Hyman, who investigated the project on behalf of the Department of Defense's Advanced Research Projects Agency, as 'sloppy and inadequate.'" Critics have pointed out that both Puthoff and Targ were already believers in paranormal powers and Geller was not adequately searched before the experiments. The psychologist C. E. M. Hansel and skeptic Paul Kurtz have noted that the experiments were poorly designed and open to trickery.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mentalism
and from his own wiki page;
In An Encyclopedia of Claims, Frauds, and Hoaxes of the Occult and Supernatural, James Randi wrote: "Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ, who studied Mr. Geller at the Stanford Research Institute were aware, in one instance at least, that they were being shown a magician's trick by Geller." Moreover, Randi explained, "their protocols for this 'serious' investigation of the powers claimed by Geller were described by Dr. Ray Hyman, who investigated the project on behalf of the Department of Defense's Advanced Research Projects Agency, as 'sloppy and inadequate.'" Critics have pointed out that both Puthoff and Targ were already believers in paranormal powers and Geller was not adequately searched before the experiments. The psychologist C. E. M. Hansel and skeptic Paul Kurtz have noted that the experiments were poorly designed and open to trickery.
I remember watching this live.
[video=youtube;lnIQkI_x2tY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnIQkI_x2tY[/video]
My brother even went to get his watch but it didn't work
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and now for something completely different. Although loosely connected with believing....
[video=youtube;2gyxeXW_2T8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gyxeXW_2T8[/video]
I just think this is awesome
[video=youtube;lnIQkI_x2tY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnIQkI_x2tY[/video]
My brother even went to get his watch but it didn't work
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and now for something completely different. Although loosely connected with believing....
[video=youtube;2gyxeXW_2T8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gyxeXW_2T8[/video]
I just think this is awesome
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Properly theorised and demonstrated and peer reviewed science.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method
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