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Hi gents, Im ex military myself but got out a long time before a lot of this fancy gear was on the market. Had a generic knowledge question relating to these pack types which are common. What are the advantages of this configuration with the two separated pouch sections on the back? Just trying to figure out what appeals to military/hikers in this regard? Wouldnt it be as easy just to have one complete section?


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Like Mr Ed I avoid them, puts weight too far back. Better to separate gear if you need to, using small stuff bags, side pockets and top lids.
First Virtus daypacks for the US/Nato had a full depth zip back for easier access, but dropped it pretty quickly. Troops seemed to prefer/used by using separate kit stuff bags in/out from the top. I've got one and haven't used to zip back once, but use side pockets and top lid all the while.
 
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Simple organisation. I use a Camelbak Motherlode for a work bag, great lots of organisation and separate compartments. No use whatsoever for anything else, as others have said single compartment, maybe a pocket or two and kit separated into bags.
 
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Looks like someone took a medic bag and used it for a portable office or school bag.
I can see this being popular for urban carry. I’d be worried about pick pockets though!
 
A big problem for us is that most of this stuff now is not designed for our use. It is all being designed for the non-user like for school or college. Which makes sense as they can sell more.
You will notice they have a very fashion approach with lots of colour changes and design changes year on year.
 
I’ve seen various urban clothes brands using realtree and similar camo. It does make me smile that it’s twice the price of actual hunting and outdoor workwear but probably not very durable. :D
 
This looks like more of a medical daysack configuration to me. The multiple compartments allow you to divide stuff up for bleeds, breaks, airway management and that sort of thing. The gold standard for this would be the Mystery Ranch RATS pack.

I don’t really see the appeal for anything other than a med pack for military applications. For anything else, depends what you’re carrying I suppose!
 
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Minotaur said:
A big problem for us is that most of this stuff now is not designed for our use. It is all being designed for the non-user like for school or college. Which makes sense as they can sell more.
You will notice they have a very fashion approach with lots of colour changes and design changes year on year.
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That and designed for ‘tacti-cool’ and prepper generation. And those Who want the ‘operator’ look!
 
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MrEd said:
That and designed for ‘tacti-cool’ and prepper generation. And those Who want the ‘operator’ look!
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Yeah, I have actually seen the 'latest' tacti-cool rucksack with rolls in it and after laughing at the blurb thought back 30 years to when the paramedics had those. It is an idea I have been thinking about for a while however it does not work very well from a weight point of view.
 
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Minotaur said:
I am not sure that works ever...
The theory makes sense however I just think it gives you more pockets to not find what you are looking for in.
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If you're using them irregularly, yeah, sure, That applies to everything lol. If you use them day in, day out... Not so much.. Us Civvies (these days), aint gonna be carrying that on a daily basis... and that being said, i do prefer a regular Bergen type pack. Was so used to just putting stuff near the top or food/brew kits in the side pouches.
 
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HillBill said:
If you're using them irregularly, yeah, sure, That applies to everything lol. If you use them day in, day out... Not so much.. Us Civvies (these days), aint gonna be carrying that on a daily basis... and that being said, i do prefer a regular Bergen type pack. Was so used to just putting stuff near the top or food/brew kits in the side pouches.
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I think that is the thing these pack ideas come from medic packs so they are used day in day out with the set up being designed to work with max muscle memory.
The big thing that keeps getting in my way with using this idea is the duplication of items which is such a weight issue for us Civvies.
 
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I have the 5.11 Rush 24 pack which is a similar design.
I really like the organisation aspect of it.
the fact i can get to any of my items (even at the bottom) without either having to unload most of the contents or delve my arm in to rummage around blindly makes things much easier IMO.
when half packed it means the contents aren't all laying at the bottom. my pack has compression straps too to keep things closer to the body.
Remembering where things are has never been an issue for me tbh. Other people have been envious at times when they ask to borrow something and i can describe exactly where it is.

They are not without issue though. Weight as you say is increased because of the extra material used. Also they are not as waterproof as traditional top opening bags. I carry a rain cover for mine.
All in all I much prefer these for a day pack configuration
 
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Buckshot said:
I have the 5.11 Rush 24 pack which is a similar design.
I really like the organisation aspect of it.
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I think that is the big thing going for these designs which works well in the office, school or college however when out in the beyond weight becomes one of my gods.

Buckshot said:
the fact i can get to any of my items (even at the bottom) without either having to unload most of the contents or delve my arm in to rummage around blindly makes things much easier IMO.
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Yeah, being able to find my glasses because they sit in a pocket at the top of my bag is a really big deal. The game of hunt the wireless mouse becomes boring very quickly.

Buckshot said:
when half packed it means the contents aren't all laying at the bottom. my pack has compression straps too to keep things closer to the body.
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I am looking at moving to a dutch vest as my hiking rucksack is basically there to carry extra water, raingear and cold weather head and hand gear. The top pocket is full and survives as a ditty bag of odds and sods which does not work very well as my binos are in there.

Buckshot said:
Remembering where things are has never been an issue for me tbh. Other people have been envious at times when they ask to borrow something and i can describe exactly where it is.
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I remember where they are it just frighting how often I am wrong. To be honest, due to medical peoples influence I do try and run a place for everything and everything in its place. The problems come when I either do not put it there, wash it so it stays home or move it to a new place.

Buckshot said:
They are not without issue though. Weight as you say is increased because of the extra material used. Also they are not as waterproof as traditional top opening bags. I carry a rain cover for mine.
All in all I much prefer these for a day pack configuration
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You see in the new lightweight stuff that they are going for a vest design because of access to certain items on the move and that seems to make a lot more sense to me in the outdoors.
I am currently in the re-build phase of a dutch vest and hope to be testing it in the near future. The plan is to have the vest as my day hiking kit, add side pockets as day ruck for overnight, and Dutch strike for longer.
Currently trying to decide if to shorten vest so it sits above my molle belt or not. Like the idea of having or being able to add items to molle belt for at camp.
 
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