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British Red

M.A.B (Mad About Bushcraft)
Dec 30, 2005
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Surely as hunter gatherers we should have the right to use some land somewhere should we not wish to conform? Have you ever wondered why we all like the outdoors so much? Maybe it's a genetic thing?

So you wouldn't mind is someone came and used your garden as a toilet? Or lit a fire on your lawn? This land is privately owned - and people work very hard to own, maintain and improve a piece of it. We are not "hunter gatherers", and I bet if you feel sick, you go and see a doctor - and a hospital and pharmacy if needed. Did you hunt the computer you are using...or did you gather it from an Apple (mac) tree?

Lets not confuse real life with a hobby based mainly on an idealised fantasy huh? Bumming around, letting others pay for your services and stealing from land owners is not living as a hunter gatherer. I don't suggest the OP is planning to do this - just interested to hear if he will be true to the hunter gatherer lifestyle - and die of an infection if he gets one?

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nitrambur

Settler
Jan 14, 2010
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Nottingham
Surely as hunter gatherers we should have the right to use some land somewhere should we not wish to conform?

What an extremely odd statement. Let's just imagine there was such a piece of land, let's say the government had a few square miles to allow people to use as they see fit. Now then, someone comes along, likes the look of the land, and starts using it. What happens to the next guy along? Do they share? What if there's ten more guys? Twenty? You've soon run out of resources. Someone starts saying "mine", it all goes to hell in a handbasket.
 

Lynx

Nomad
Jun 5, 2010
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Wellingborough, Northants
What an extremely odd statement. Let's just imagine there was such a piece of land, let's say the government had a few square miles to allow people to use as they see fit. Now then, someone comes along, likes the look of the land, and starts using it. What happens to the next guy along? Do they share? What if there's ten more guys? Twenty? You've soon run out of resources. Someone starts saying "mine", it all goes to hell in a handbasket.

So given the chance they would grab all the land until there was none for anyone else? Wow that would never happen surely? I mention this tongue in cheek really but would it not be nice if we were not all "forced" to conform in this world and the idea of a large swath of land for people to live off the land is an appealing if not romantic one is it not?
 

789987

Settler
Aug 8, 2010
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What an extremely odd statement. Let's just imagine there was such a piece of land, let's say the government had a few square miles to allow people to use as they see fit. Now then, someone comes along, likes the look of the land, and starts using it. What happens to the next guy along? Do they share? What if there's ten more guys? Twenty? You've soon run out of resources. Someone starts saying "mine", it all goes to hell in a handbasket.

like a national park maybe....

i think taking a few rabbits off a hillside cant really be compared to taking a turd in someones garden. as far as paying for the nhs - whose to say he hasnt been contributing for the last 20 years. while i dont think that this is a viable way to live in the uk - i dont think he's going to harm anyone other than himself by giving it a go.
 

Xunil

Settler
Jan 21, 2006
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North East UK
www.bladesmith.co.uk
I think the only chance you have of staying on the right side of the law (and of doing this safely over the long term) is to do it partially.

This crops up from time to time and recently a lot of information including the more obvious pros/cons was offered in a couple of threads

Without permission sooner or later you're going to fall foul of the law, no matter how remote a place you think you are in, so it makes sense to work within those boundaries for a number of reasons.

You can choose to "live long, and prosper" and still not be a 9-5 stereotype, but if you try and do it alone, 24/7, you will be operating outside of societies rules and regulations and, sooner or later, this will trip you up.

The recommendation for a large knife makes sense from a practical perspective but it is also one of the fastest ways of getting into trouble I can think of, so you need to be careful of where it is, how it is stored, carried and used and so on.

Years ago I played at this for a couple of months on the west coast of Scotland. Me and a mate wanted to do a 'full-on' skills test and I have to say that the easiest (read "least difficult") environment was coastal, as in, right on the the coast. The constant supply of flotsam and driftwood meant we had all kinds of ropes, cordage, containers, nets, enough timber for fires (making sure to take the dry stuff from wayyyyyyyyy up above the normal tide line) not to mention the easiest pickings for food.

We ended up moving into the carcass of a wrecked yacht which seemed like the Ritz after various lean-to's and similar shelters. Also keep in mind that the larger a shelter is the more it takes to heat it.

If you can't be hassled to read either of the above two linked threads I will summarise the likely major issues as follows, ignoring the legal issues for now, and in no particular order of importance:

1. carrying enough of the right kit
2. shelter
3. warmth (fire, shelter, adequate/proper clothing
4. storage (food, water, kit)
5. hygiene
6. medical care
7. replenishing worn, broken, or lost kit/supplies
8. exit strategy

The constant thorn in anyone's side assuming the basic requirements of shelter and warmth are taken care of is ensuring an excess food supply and then solving the problem of storage of the excess. Refrigeration is not an option and canning requires a lot of heavy and bulky kit and knowledge, so unless you put yourself in an environment where refrigeration is an option you have no reliable way of storing foodstuffs safely that won't introduce other issues. You can't just smoke or dry everything, for example, ecause you still need storage for the end product. Even pemmican requires two luxuries - fat and a container.

Water - processing and storing. Enough said.

Hygiene is desperately important otherwise you're going to be your own worst enemy. Ignoring the high risk of self-introduced dysentery (or worse) I would include in personal hygiene the much underestimated looking after your appearance because, quite simply, if you look alike a down and out you will be treated like one and, sad to say, this is likely to hasten your being 'encouraged to leave' an area.

You will, at some stage, require stuff. Without income that stuff will be hard to provide.

At some stage it is likely that you will return to mainstream society and so your exit strategy (from the wilds) needs to include a rough plan on how you might reintegrate.

If we flip the coin over, you could take a look at the other side which could be more viable. Partly self-sustain while working seasonally and/or in exchange for the use of a bothy or similar facilities. Look at ways of ensuring your ongoing health (and wealth) by utilising the lifestyle.

Example: a mate of mine did this (and still is, many years later) by turning rabbits into a cash crop at farmer's markets. He sells them chilled or frozen, all butchered and wraped in clingfilm (for the fresh ones) or vacuum sealed for frozen.

He looks after a lot of land and got fed up with game dealers dropping their prices to 30p a rabbit. He sells them for a pound or two a piece, but he compliments this by also selling various pre-prepared sauces and free, give-away recipe sheets that can be used to help folks prepare their rabbits.

Lambing requires some experience (which can be got for the price of volunteering for a couple of seasons) but once you know what you are doing that sort of skill can get you regular, seasonal work which will also put you right into the network of people you need to keep onside to live in the countryside. If you talk to them properly and are seen as being responsible and trustworthy your name will be noised about with neighbouring farms and offers of casual work, beating, pest control and so on will filter your way.

Country folk are a tremendous asset to anyone planning anything like this, but they will be your biggest enemy if you are seen to simply be on the take from them.

Tread carefully.

Done properly you could live on the fringes of society on your own terms in wonderful areas surrounded by a support network of friends (given time) and like minded (on some points) individuals.

Done badly you could be injured, ill, or sent up the river as poacher.

I wish you the very best of luck with it.
 

nitrambur

Settler
Jan 14, 2010
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Nottingham
So given the chance they would grab all the land until there was none for anyone else? Wow that would never happen surely? I mention this tongue in cheek really but would it not be nice if we were not all "forced" to conform in this world and the idea of a large swath of land for people to live off the land is an appealing if not romantic one is it not?

Very romantic, till the big guy with the gun decides it's his and you're not coming on it ;)
 

789987

Settler
Aug 8, 2010
554
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here
so youre suggesting that conforming to the established society is the only option and anything else will end in chaos and big men with guns abusing you?
 

789987

Settler
Aug 8, 2010
554
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just like in nature a balance would be found sooner or later.

anyway back on topic. he could wander round scotland and legitimately camp maybe he has the skill to take rabbits and sea fish etc and survive for the next 6 months. once winter comes then he's going to have problems and as has been pointed out several times it is unlikely to be a sustainable existence. but if he doesnt try then he's never going to know. maybe his experiences will lead to a revolutionary new concept in bushcrafty type stuff. maybe he's the next big thing that will hit our screens.
 

mountainm

Bushcrafter through and through
Jan 12, 2011
9,990
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Selby
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just like in nature a balance would be found sooner or later.

anyway back on topic. he could wander round scotland and legitimately camp maybe he has the skill to take rabbits and sea fish etc and survive for the next 6 months. once winter comes then he's going to have problems and as has been pointed out several times it is unlikely to be a sustainable existence. but if he doesnt try then he's never going to know. maybe his experiences will lead to a revolutionary new concept in bushcrafty type stuff. maybe he's the next big thing that will hit our screens.

Not sure you'd get enough carbs from fish and rabbit - guessing you'd need to supplement with chesnuts or hazlenuts. 'Course you'd need to store a heck of a lot....
 

789987

Settler
Aug 8, 2010
554
0
here
the plus side of the vagrant diet is washboard abs. this will help when the exit strategy comes into play as wealthy old ladies like that sort of thing!!
 

789987

Settler
Aug 8, 2010
554
0
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he will need to develop the "thoughtful vagrant" look

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Samon

Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
Mar 24, 2011
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Britannia!
His ideas are nice, but it just won't completely work in england. Maybe in america, a place where you can actually be free from others..but not our tiny controlled/owned country. He could start with growing some veg in the woods and spending lots of time out there..get a basic feel for the outdoors and what would actually be need to do to survive.

Step 1. plan out a massive network of vegetable patches in the most 'untouched' parts of woodland you can find.
Step 2. find a regular fresh water source and try to live near it.
Step 3. learn basic trapping/gathering skills.
Step 4. try it out slowly, few days at a time.

Of course good kit will help keep you alive longer..and a good hard think about it will also keep you alive longer.

Good luck buddy!
 

Aussiepom

Forager
Jun 17, 2008
172
0
Mudgee, NSW
Wildmanuk,

I've just re-read your OP and if I take it at face value, that means that any sort of WOOFTERING or part time work or any other form of 'work-for-reward' is a no-go. I'll assume that you're very well versed in outdoor skills, fit and healthy, etc.

Fast forward X amount of months. You've been fortunate not to lose either health or equipment or freedom, through infringements of the law. However, how will you replace your boots, which are now falling apart through constant use and lack of maintenance? What about the fire starting kit that you mentioned? Has the lighter run out, or the ferro rod worn out? What about the wear and tear on your clothing? Those clothes that you are wearing, not occasionally, but constantly. How have you been keeping up your health & hygiene since your soap, toothpaste, medication, (enter any other item you wish here), ran out?

What about the DWR treatment on your 'waterproof' kit? Now that that needs replacing and your 'waterproofs' are 'wetting out' how will you avoid getting wet and hypothermic, either from sweat within, or rain without?

You asked for advice, so I'll say this: Wake up, because if you think you can live in the UK, in this day and age, without ANY recourse to money, you're dreaming.
 

_mark_

Settler
May 3, 2010
537
0
Google Earth
I really don't understand the open hostility in this thread? There is absolutely no need for all the patronizing criticism! The guy has set himself a challenge and good luck to him!
 

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