Goose said:-15 and it got too warm? sounds like it passed the test then
But was it snuggly?
What is snuggly?
Goose said:-15 and it got too warm? sounds like it passed the test then
But was it snuggly?
Viking said:What is snuggly?
leon-1 said:Enviroment and weather dictate what you require. Cold wet is a killer probably more so than any other because people underestimate the effect that wet and cold can have, if you then couple those two with wind you have a potentially lethal combination.
If you can create a micro climate as you would with a tent or snow hole / quinzee then all you will be contending with is ambient temperature (in snow holes the temperature sits around 0 degrees), in a dry cold enviroment down clothing would work very well, but due to the different types of snow in damp cold enviroments you would end up soaked and water would sap the heat from your body pretty quickly leaving you susceptible to freezing cold injuries.
There is no requirement to be routing around in your pack for two items of kit as the one does the job which also makes them quick to use.
More on synthetic than down, but damp peices of equipment can be taken into a sleeping bag and dried out as you sleep, you cannot do this with a down jacket and trousers.
Someone with a broken leg can be put into a sleeping bag in cold enviroments with an inflatable splint on thier leg and stretchered off, with a two peice combo all you are really going to be able to do is stick thier jacket on and lay things over the casualties legs.
Blankets can have the same effect as a sleeping bag as people have a tendency to adopt the foetal position with the blanket wrapped firmly around them. So blankets / quilted liners are quite a good peice of kit in most enviroments.
Goose said:-15 and it got too warm? sounds like it passed the test then
But was it snuggly?
Gary said:As for Ex Medman, I hate to differ but I've been there almost every year between 83 and 95 often twice and staying on to play enemy and I have experienced the odd electrical storm and a maybe a down pour once or twice but never to the degree you describe it Leon.
Viking said:When it comes to dry up things (like socks) I have found that the best is to dry them close to your body instead of having things everywhere in your sleeping bag
Viking said:In an emergency like a broken leg a person kan easily be fully dressed with a jacket and then just zip on the trousers.
Viking said:Why not just use a bivy bag and sleep with clothes on and during winter and colder times of the year add down jacket and trousers that you still can wear when get up in the morning still keeping you warm and can be used on a cold days for slow activities.
Viking said:But if the jacket and trousers were syntetichs the wetness would not be a problem.
Graham_S said:i like to remove clothing where possible when using a sleeping bag. i find i'm warmer than if i stay clothed.
otoh, i have a jordanian herders jacket that i sometimes sleep in. it's an ankle length coat made of wool blanket lined with fake fur. very toasty.
spamel said:In reply to Leon and Gary, I don't know the norm for BATUS summer weather, but I didn't take any chances. It rained for 18 of 28 days, so it was a quagmire, everything got minging, there was no escaping the mud.....
....unless you had two vehicle fires and got towed back to the FMA!! I don't want to dampen (no pun intended!) anyones spirits if they are off on a trip to Canada, the weather can be lovely, but that's the thing; it changes so quickly.
The day before this picture was taken, both of us were cursing the rain that had us drenched, and we had our full goretex on way before the weather hit us, because you see rain falling about 10 km away on the prairie and it looks weird!!
Sorry about the bloody great camera case in the foreground!! A prime example of what happens to an overworked 30 year old, I'm talking about the tank here! This was the start of our 5 day camping expedition awaiting spares
Spamel
Viking said:Why use a sleeping bag really, they are heavy bulky and boring and cold to get out of in the morning. Why not just use a bivy bag and sleep with clothes on and during winter and colder times of the year add down jacket and trousers that you still can wear when get up in the morning still keeping you warm and can be used on a cold days for slow activities.
We used this system when I was in the army (but without the bivy bag) and it worked good then. Why should it not work now?
bambodoggy said:Johan, did your army use them to sleep in back then?
arctic hobo said:Interesting as this is we're getting a little off topic aren't we?
I am interested in sleeping bag replacements (especially as a bit of a sleeping bag fetishist), especially if they're clothes-orientated, as this means it's taking up no pack space. Does anyone have any other ideas?
arctic hobo said:Interesting as this is we're getting a little off topic aren't we?
I am interested in sleeping bag replacements (especially as a bit of a sleeping bag fetishist), especially if they're clothes-orientated, as this means it's taking up no pack space. Does anyone have any other ideas?
If you are talking to squeaks try explaining why it is not a tank!Since when was a CET a Tank?