Bergans: Powerframe / Finnmark

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big_swede

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Ogden said:
Another thread for the external frame-specialists:
What is your experience with the Bergans(Norway) Powerframe 130l and
the Finnmark 100l?
http://www.bergans.no
Pros and Cons?

I feel a bit obliged to reply... In this post I won't go through the frame vs. Softpack disscussion again, you could search the forum or google it. But I will try to gives some hints on those two models.

First of all, one thing you have to consider when bying a bergans rucksack is that the pack-volume really is what they say. In an indepedent test I read some weeks ago a number of brands and models of backpacks where tested for weight and packing volume. Bergans where the only brand who didn't understate the volume, in some cases the rucksack would actually take more than stated (Bergans Alpinist III for example). Some brands where under 60% of the volume stated, most brands where somewhere around 80-90%. So when you buy a finnmark you will actually have 100 cubic decimeters. Some brands defend themselves with statements that their specified packing volume concerns compressed luggage and shouldn't be taken literally, in my opinion they should state the true volume! (The tests were made with plastic garbage bags and water, and I would really like to see how the berghaus and karrimor would do in a similar test)

The only one I've tried for real of those two models is the monster-carry-everything-you-own-rucksack Powerframe. It a good rucksack for the purpose it was designed, carrying bulky & heavy loads. And as I said, you do get the 130 liters. I borrowed a friends powerframe before I got my sacci 100 liters, and used it for a 20 days trip. The frame works really well and is worth it's heavy weight, when you're carrying 25+ kgs. The sidepockets are good and you could attach your skis behind them with the attachment points there. The waistband is really nice and stiff and is probably one of the better ones I've come across. But there are of course cons as well. First of all the volume itself is a problem, how often do you need 130 liters? I might need it 2-3 times a year, and usually I could do those trips in the winter using a pulka instead. If you use the powerframe with less volume it gets unevenly distributed and kind of floppy, I would say 100-140 liters would be optimal, and ask yourself how often you really HAVE to have that much stuff, the only time I use that much space is when there are NO ways to resupply. The other BIG issue with the powerframe is the weight. I don't know how your fitness is, but carrying 30-40 kilos isn't a walk in the park, and it's in that range you will end up with 130 liters. How far have you hiked for the longest? And how much did you carry? If you haven't started doing squats and deadlifts with a lot of weights, you better start now. 130 liters, I would recommend for 20+ days, and with the distance you would make in that time, you are bound to come across some place to stock up again, hence the huge backpack isn't really necessary, unless you're going to Siberia. But it is a very good rucksack, but be prepared, otherwise it's going to be a long hard struggle carrying it.

The other one have I only heard about. Only good things, except for the sidepockets, which can be a bit floppy. A friends friend use the frame for carrying dead game, when hunting. It too has attachment points for skis, as well as a lot of general attachment points. Overall the finnmark seem a bit simpler, and therefore a bit more reliable (as less things can go wrong).

Anyway, Bergans is a reputable brand, and either one you choose will probably serve you for years and years. Just make sure that you need the 100-130 liters so often that it's worth buying one.

(If you could oversee that it isn't bergans, my personal favourite frame-pack, which I really can recommend is this, the url is a bit strange, you don't get the frames...)
 

Ogden

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Thanks a lot, big_swede.
I know the weight is a problem. Normally I use a (external frame)
Lastenkraxe with a 100 - 110l waterproof bag. Planning an
extended solo-trip with no possibilities to stock up food and
fuel, my system is not big enough (the waterproof bag in fact
is smaller, same problem as you described for backpacks).
(For example: I always have a foam mat inside the pack, and
the Tyin or Tyin Elite "eats" a god part of the rest)

Back to the powerframe: Do you know the volume of the side pockets?

The Sacci really looks good. Problem: There is no chance to test it here in
Germany (Germans prefer camping instead of bushcraft and many interesting
products you never see here).
Do you know any websites with detailed pictures or reviews? I tried Google
but besides the manufacturer it seems that I have to learn swedish to get
more information.

Cheers + :You_Rock_
 

big_swede

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Sep 22, 2006
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Ogden said:
Thanks a lot, big_swede.
I know the weight is a problem. Normally I use a (external frame)
Lastenkraxe with a 100 - 110l waterproof bag. Planning an
extended solo-trip with no possibilities to stock up food and
fuel, my system is not big enough (the waterproof bag in fact
is smaller, same problem as you described for backpacks).
(For example: I always have a foam mat inside the pack, and
the Tyin or Tyin Elite "eats" a god part of the rest)

Back to the powerframe: Do you know the volume of the side pockets?

Why do you carry the sleeping pad inside the pack? A good rule of thumb is that you can always carry the same amount strapped on the pack, as inside the pack. That's one of the great benefits of a good frame-pack with attachements.

The lastenkraxe seems a bit heavy even for external frames... Have you ever measured the actual volume?

Pocket volume? Somewhere around 15 liters per pocket is my guess, not sure really.

And it might be hard to get the saccis in Germany on second thought, they mainly sell to the army. (The only reviews I know is in swedish, but a friend has one in münchen :D)

When travelling solo for such a long time, don't forget a good insurance, a recco-reflector and at least one way of communicating with the world...
 

Ogden

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Dec 8, 2004
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Well, might be not the best, but two things I need to feel "home" in the wilderness
is a warm,warm sleeping bag and everything inside the backpack -
might be the neurotic rest of a 6 year old boy scout, shivering in the night and
the stuff never fits inside this:"Affe"
Volume of the Kraxe? It is just a frame and carrying system. I put waterproof
bags on it as many/big I need for the gear.
and: recco-reflector. nice idea indeed.
communication is quiet heavy. Until now the sound + red light emergency rockets
(the ones from the big ships) were enough.But of course..
Greetinx. Might be quiet dark now in your swedish woods.
 

big_swede

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Sep 22, 2006
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Ogden said:
Well, might be not the best, but two things I need to feel "home" in the wilderness
is a warm,warm sleeping bag and everything inside the backpack -
might be the neurotic rest of a 6 year old boy scout, shivering in the night and
the stuff never fits inside this:"Affe"
Volume of the Kraxe? It is just a frame and carrying system. I put waterproof
bags on it as many/big I need for the gear.
and: recco-reflector. nice idea indeed.
communication is quiet heavy. Until now the sound + red light emergency rockets
(the ones from the big ships) were enough.But of course..
Greetinx. Might be quiet dark now in your swedish woods.

Hahaha, got depressed just looking at the 'affe'..

And by the way, a motorola iridium satphone weighs in at 375 gram. There's a lot of rentals for that. Inmarsat is also quite ok. As a last resort I would look for emergency beacons (PLB's), there a bit heavier than iridium phones though. COmbine that with the recco and you will be all right..
 

Ogden

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Dec 8, 2004
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Forest of Odes
Yes, the Affe is great. Modern, quite left wing boy scouts, but all of us in
short german leather trousers bavarian style!
and with the old WWII Wehrmacht Affe. (I know, strange...!), blue shirt,
cottton and wool, a poncho. Always too cold.
We were in Sweden once, one little village and swedish boys shouting Nazi-jokes
and extended the right arm. But in fact they were right, looking back it was like
the old HJ (german NS organization for boys) design.
(and hey, my grandfather was attorney at the Volksgerichtshof in Berlin and none
of my relatives from this part of the family speaks to me anymore since I put
copys of his German Archives documents into big envelopes and sent it to
all of them, and all the children and grandchildren... - what a day it was!)
By the way: Sweden was great and the people wonderful.
Good satphone tips. Thanks!

And: Yes, slipping through the bushes is easyer when everything is inside the
pack. Like that too.
 

Giantwalks

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Hi.
I´m totally new here. I have a lot of experiences with the Powerframe 130. Exactly almost 16.000 kilometers. To be honest:
The Bergans Powerframe 130L+ is the defenitely worst part of my hiking-equipment I ever payed money for. It´s even worse then my english. Please forgive me the bad english. After a brainbleeding it needs some improvement.

I bought my first Powerframe for my hikingtrip arround the entire world in 2013. When it was delivered to my local dealer we tested it directly in the store. The dealer had pack-weights of about 21 kilogram. Additional we packed some telephonebooks into the backpack. It worked 2 minutes. Walking through the store and the right shoulder-strap ripped of.
Ok, bad things can happen, even at products of a premium-producer. So we ordered a new one. It came 2 weeks later. That one was ok, when we tested it in the store with 55 kilogram. But there were different problems. In each and every advertising about the Powerframe you can read about the very exclusive "shoulder width adjustment system". Unfortunately this system is not existing anymore since 2012, when the producer of the backpack in Vietnam informed Bergans about the fact, that this system is good for weights up to 20 kilogram. Not more. So the producer informed Bergans that they wont instal this system anymore. Curiously Bergans has the advertising about this system still in every flyer and on their webpage. Next problem is the attachment of the shoulder-straps to the frame because of the missing adjustment-system. The did it with sharp self-locking nuts. The sharp nuts slice the fabric of the bag of the backpack. And if you have to replace the nuts, you will need tools and spareparts because self-locking nuts you can use only one time.
Next thing is, that some of the fast-ex-buckles are seewn in the wrong way. So on the move they open by themselves and you can loose equipment. The frame on my Powerframe is the second one. The first one broke apart. The second one I filled with expanding-foam to support it. The feet of the frame have small plastic-caps. These caps were destroyed at the very first day because the are only 0.8 milimeter thick.
The list of fails and mistakes in production, material and concept is long. 72 mistakes I found. I changed them by myself because Bergans gives no reactions anymore. I´m still walking with this backpack but I know I will find a better one.
 

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