another fly fishing one

[EdS]

Are braided leader loops worth it? Or is it better just to tie the leader to the fly line.

Leader loops (leader butts?) seem a good idea to make it easier to swap/replace leaders.

 

[salad]

I use a braided learder loop as it means its very quick to change , this is very useful if the weather is very changing through the day as the fish will be feeding at diferent depths due to the amount of light breaking through the water. So I can go from fast sinking tip to a slow sinking tip in no time
It means that I have my line in the water for agreater amount of time thus increaseing my chances of catching more fish

I like them

 

[Front Room Woodlander]

Agreed.
Any thing that increases line in the water time has got to be good. That said, dont waste your money on the little clips for attaching flies to line!

 

[StJon]

Hi EdS,
braided leader is the way to go, use some cyanoacrylate ( supper glue ) and the sleeve to secure them to you fly line. I saw a large trout take fly, leader and braided leader only to leave the fisher with those words that we all know when we lose a fish... ;-)
jon

 

[EdS]

so the next question is - direct tie to fly line (plus a touch of glue) or via a loop like a grays loop or similar.

 

[Dave]

so the next question is - direct tie to fly line (plus a touch of glue) or via a loop like a grays loop or similar.

Doesnt need a loop Ed. Use a tapered leader. Most tapered leaders you buy will come with loop already on. [If not tie a perfection loop on the leader]
And dont bother with the super glue. Its not needed, and corrodes your fly line after a while.
Arbor Knot dacron/backing to Reel.
Nail knot, backing, [dacron,] to fly line.
3 turn Surgeons/water knot, to connect leader to tippet
Try and buy a braided leader loop with a coloured rubber tube. [red] [The bit that slips over the braided leader, and onto the fly line]
It works as a strike indicator when your nymphing.

http://www.ehow.com/video_2353452_fly-fishing-reels.html

These vids will tell you everything you need to know about knots.

A few lessons, casting etc, off a local guide would be money well spent.

Kilnsey crags, near burnsall are not far from you, and give lessons

 

[Robbi]

i use a braided leader all the time, slips over the fly line and a dab of superglue smeared over the braid and then the stragly bits burnt of with a lighter ( do it fast so you don't melt the braid !! ) makes a very neat joint.

( and you're right, those clippy things for changing flys are awful !! )

tight lines matey

Robbi

 

[Dave]

i use a braided leader all the time, slips over the fly line and a dab of superglue smeared over the braid and then the stragly bits burnt of with a lighter ( do it fast so you don't melt the braid !! ) makes a very neat joint.

( and you're right, those clippy things for changing flys are awful !! )

tight lines matey

Robbi

I use to use Super glue myself. [Some do, some dont] But after a while it does corrode the fly line.
And a good fly line can easily set you back 50quid.
When you put your braided leader on. Try pulling hard.
Theres no way the braided leader will come off the fly line.
Unless its not been secured properly. [Or its crap]
And Id recommend using scissors to snip the straggly bits off...

 

[lab72]

If you can attach a length a mono( say 2-3 pounds heavier than your tippet ) with a nail knot then put a loop in the end of said mono and attach your tippet hope that helps. Tight lines

 

[EdS]

tippet?

I guess it is a short length of line between leader and fly - what is best to use. The try outs I've done never had them.

Plan was: backing-fly line - braided leader butt - 9' leader. Now maybe add in tippet.

This is getting more and more complicated!

 

[Dave]

tippet?

I guess it is a short length of line between leader and fly - what is best to use. The try outs I've done never had them.

Plan was: backing-fly line - braided leader butt - 9' leader. Now maybe add in tippet.

This is getting more and more complicated!

Its not that complicated once you get a grasp of the basics.

It is however, very addictive.

 

[Robbi]

addictive it is !!

simple mate........backing line, fly line, braided leader, then at least a rods length of leader ( in a stocked lake, try 4lb line )

go for it and tight lines matey !

 

[Dave]

Ed. Hows your foray into fly fishing going?

Did you go for any lessons or get any equipment?

 

[pango]

Horses for courses, mate! I wouldn't touch a braided leader as I don't trust them. I don't use loops either as they're conspicuous and clumsy.

Then again, maybe I'm just set in my ways of tried and trusted method. I attach 18 lb line with a nail knot to fly line and a grinner knot to attach the leader. The result is a strong and trustworthy graduating leader without conspicuous loops to cause unnecessary disturbance or tangles.

Much of my fishing time is spent observing, as I'm not so much concerned about fly in the water time as I am with putting the fly when and where fish are feeding.
I haven't gone hungry yet!

 

[Adze]

For speed and simplicity or for a mono cored fly line, even if you intend using a braided or furled leader, then they're ideal.

If you're after absolute delicacy of presentation or if you'd rather immerse yourself in a bit of fly fishing lore and regalia then a needle knot is definitely the way to go. If your fly line doesn't have a monofilament core as most of the glass/slimeline/transparent intermediate lines do then it allows for a smaller line to tippet join - these days the difference is pretty marginal tbh.

 

[EdS]

Dave - got a cheap rod & reel, plud lines etc to play with. To be honest I've had a few goes on the drive to no success. I really need to get to some water - the pond on site has too many tree. Suppose I'll wander down to the river at some point - its just finding time and a spot that is not too overhung.

 

[Adze]

To be honest I've had a few goes on the drive to no success.

Some of my biggest have come from road/grass fishing... you know the type, as they walk past they'll say "You won't catch much there, ho ho ho".

My usual reply is along the lines of... "You'd be surprised, you're the fourth I've had and I've only at it ten minutes!"

 

[Dave]

I fish on most of the rivers near to you. If you get stuck, and want a few pointers, on the basics for an hour or two, drop me a PM.

 

[EdS]

Dave - had a lay yesterday. The puddles and wet line made a big differnece.

 

[jonnie drake]

get some cheapy tapered leaders try caimore from ebay. Tippet wise I find stroft or orvis super strong best, I attach my leader to fly line by splicing through and just using a good glue- but it has to be done right. Braided leader loops are ok but dont give the best presentation, which lets be honest is the holy grail.