Hunting knife used as bushcraft knife?

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Toddy

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Oh well done :) Where did you find the photo ?
I've spent ages looking for that, but photobucket seems to have deleted it on the forum :sigh:
Right enough, it was 2006.
The side peeled back like a metal banana :yikes:


cheers,
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Its an opinion Samon - but amongst hunters you will find those who opine that bushcraft knives are fancy vanity pieces for people who don't understand knife use. The point is if you hunt and don't make feathersticks - buy a hollow ground hunting knife, if you do more batoning and feathersticks - buy a bushcraft knife. Its not about "own every tool", but thinking that my tool selection is right for you, or yours for me, smacks of intolerance. Mary likes a small necker, I like a larger fixed knife and a smaller folder, Santaman likes a Buck 110, you like whatever you like. We select our tools based on the tasks we choose to undertake. One size, and one style, does not fit all. I think its helpful to describe the attributes of a knife that make it suitable for a task, I think its unhelpful to say "style A good, style B bad".
 

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Samon

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I like long walks on the beach, pink wine and lazy nights on the sofa. ;)

Lol actually I rather like my pocket knives as I'm a walker, not a sleep-er-overnighter-er..? and have no real need to break wood, harvest meat from a beast and build a house.

So, I think it's fair to say we can all agree (I'm sure), there is no right answer. It's a matter of opinion regarding what toy you'll be bringing with you. But as an individual, I for one can quite easily agree a hunting knife is not for me. Hunting is quite a seperate act on this island, it doesn't naturally fall into a camp site for the vast majority of us . So for a knife to be of the most use for me, it really won't be anything specifically 'hunting' related. That's where 'bushcraft' designs comes into it. They do a bit of everything and that 'popular' design (woody clone) is undeniabley useful for us British folk and our.. general needs.
 

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So, I think it's fair to say we can all agree (I'm sure), there is no right answer. It's a matter of opinion regarding what toy you'll be bringing with you. But as an individual, I for one can quite easily agree a hunting knife is not for me..

I buy that - completely

[ Hunting is quite a seperate act on this island,

Not for me - harvesting wild game is as vital a component of bushcraft as foraging wild plants to me - and more relevant than using a knife for shelter building - a task more suited to axe and saw for me - certainly more important than, for example, spoon making.

I have no problem with the Woodlore style - I merely make the point that instead of a generic label of "x or y is right for bushcraft", it is helpful to understand which of the many bushcraft type tasks a person plans to undertake before selecting an appropriate tool.

As you say - there is no right answer
 

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Maybe, maybe.....but a knife meant for 'hunting' is most definitely not the most reliable knife to carry for most bushcraft tasks.
*Woodworking, whether that's shelter, basketry, carving or firelighting, I wouldn't use a hunting knife if I had any other option.
*Foraging as in processing both plant material (grass blunts edges for instance because of it's high silica content) and meat (really needs the edge to stay sharp) or shellfish which either needs thumped, dug out or prised open. One out of three.
*Shelter building and cordage, etc.....nope a hunting knife really 'isn't' the one for this task.
*Digging ? again, nope, not a task that a hunting knife is up to, but my spyderco, the laplander, etc., all do very well.
*Splitting barks, cutting out bark, lifting it, or boring holes....definitely not with a hunting knife.

Yet the little helle polar I often carry will do all of that, and has, and is still in really good condition, as are any of my bushcraft knives.
Might go easier with bigger ones, but not easier with bigger hunting knives.

Hunting is a subset of bushcraft for the vast majority of us, though we take the point about it being the specialisation for some.

Anyway, I'm out :)
cheers,
M
 

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I would argue that some of my hunting knives are far better at cordage than my bushcraft knives - much easier to keep razor sharp, finer edged etc. Digging? Well, digging with a knife id plain foolish in my book - what's wrong with a digging stick?

It is interesting though. The dim opinions of hollow ground for example. I wonder if people realise that both Alan Wood Woodlores are hollow ground?
 

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Oh well done :) Where did you find the photo ?
I've spent ages looking for that, but photobucket seems to have deleted it on the forum :sigh:
Right enough, it was 2006.
The side peeled back like a metal banana :yikes:


cheers,
Mary


I saw that ,was that yours at Brownlie woods Mary?
 

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and I said I was out :rolleyes:

I dig out things, sometimes places where a digging stick won't do, like cutting roots buried in mud. The digging stick mashes and crushes them instead of slicing them free.

Cordage ....Spliting bark ? use the knife as a fixed split by stabbing it into a tree and pulling the bark against it ? not for a hunting knife that trick.
Pounding stems?, nope, not with a hunting knife either. Tidying up ends, cutting off the woven outs, so long as it's sharp it'll do for that.
Scraping bark off willow, etc., nope, again, not with a hunting knife with an edge that'll go ping.

I really am out this time :D

atb,
M
 

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Just for interest I took a couple of birch branches last night and tried some basic 'bushcraft' stuff with a selection of knives I had to hand. I made a very small tent peg and a small feather sick with each knife as I feel they are a good example of the type of things you might want a knife for when it comes to woodcraft.

The various hunting and 'bushcraft' knives including: a carbon mora clipper, stainless mora companion, buck 110, cold steel trailmaster, enzo trapper, custom hollow ground damasteel hunter, a spyderco mule team 16, and I even gave a try with just a gransfors small forest axe.

I can safely say that they will all do the type of woodcraft jobs that we think of as being typical 'bushcraft'. I did not baton with any of them, as I don't like to abuse my knives and I am perfectly willing to admit you need a fairly robust knife if you are going to attempt that, i just use an axe for that type of thing.

The Moras and the enzo trapper faired the best for carving the tent pegs, while the hollow grind damasteel hunter and the massive coldsteel trailmaster were among the best of them for feathering sticks. Although the buck 110 was tricky to use with wood at the beginning, a little practice saw it perform as well as most others, and I certainly would be too upset if that was all I had at my disposal. The tip is perhaps a little thin for certain woodcraft applications, but with care it performed admirably. The spyderco mule performed as well as any of the scandi ground options in the bunch. The axe was fantastic for feather sticks, something I already knew, and could make a go of carving, albeit a little awkward.

All the knives and the axe were shaving sharp at the beginning and pretty much the same at the end.

I didn't take any pictures this time, but I'm hoping to repeat the experiment over the coming weeks and document each task since it might help someone somewhere. When I do it again I'll use a few other knives I have lying around including some pocket knives and multi tools. I might also see how each knife fairs on a food prep test, if I have the time and need to prep a decent amount of food that won't go to waste.
 
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Samon

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It is interesting though. The dim opinions of hollow ground for example. I wonder if people realise that both Alan Wood Woodlores are hollow ground?

There's 'hollow ground' and there's the woodlore scandi, that happens to be ground on a wheel and thus somehwat hollow ground. Not a true hollow grind and with use it will go away. Simualr deal with Mora's, not full zero ground, but slightly hollow.

The only hollow grind I can think of that I'd want would be on a cut throat razor, and I'm not wealthy enough to afford a decent one! So, again.. for me the hollow grind isn't something I'd want. Even in a hunting knife, I'd rather a flat grind with a convex edge.

I don't want to come across as a hollow hater.. but it bugs me that my kitchen devils (cheap kitchen knives) are essentially hollow ground (like every other cheaply made knife i seem to have owned bar a few).. I did give them a run across the belt sander to flatten the bevels but they are still hollowish. And although I did find my Buck110 had a good blade for vegetable prep my kitchen I'd still rather a flat ground kitchen knife! lol

Hollow does slice well though.. just not as effeciently as flat, imo.

ahem.. :)
 

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Buy a Sabatier - flatter than a flat thing that's been flattened by a steam roller :) Needs a decent secondary to work well though - I put a hollow secondary on mine :)

No I really do!
 

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Its an opinion Samon - but amongst hunters you will find those who opine that bushcraft knives are fancy vanity pieces for people who don't understand knife use. The point is if you hunt and don't make feathersticks - buy a hollow ground hunting knife, if you do more batoning and feathersticks - buy a bushcraft knife. Its not about "own every tool", but thinking that my tool selection is right for you, or yours for me, smacks of intolerance. Mary likes a small necker, I like a larger fixed knife and a smaller folder, Santaman likes a Buck 110, you like whatever you like. We select our tools based on the tasks we choose to undertake. One size, and one style, does not fit all. I think its helpful to describe the attributes of a knife that make it suitable for a task, I think its unhelpful to say "style A good, style B bad".

Sort of anyway. I like the Buck 110 as my knife when I don't know what uses I'll put it too. If I'm sure I'll only need a pocketknife I prefer a 3 bladed stockman (various brands are good) If I know I'll need a fixed blade then I'll carry that; again choosing exactly which fixed blade depends on the task and mine range from 5-7 inch hunters; 6-9 inch filleting knives; a Khukuri; and several machetes.

I know there's no such thing as a "do everything" knife but for me the 110 comes closest. It's large enough and tough enough for most tasks and small enough I'll almost always have it with me. Add to that the way it fits my hand and it's hard to beat. Yes I've broken a tip on one also (by prying open a stuck panel on an F-4 phantom)
 

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I've a fair few keeper pals with uber-expensive hunting knives, i always fancy these are more about status than practicality, although there's no doubt that they are very practical knives for their niche. I find butchering far easier with a kitchen devil (hacksaw and hatchet too of course) than any fancy uber-expensive hunter I've tried, although I'm no expert myself so perhaps there is something special about a £400 hunting knife enhancing ones butchery prowess, I rather fancy it's practice.

Yes, right tool for the job, I'm a believer in that

Agreed that the best tools for butchering large game are a proper set of butchers' knives and bone saws. And those are (or should be) readily available in the UK and even here in Florida. But not maybe or maybe not so in a real hunting camp.
 

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....I can batton with an opinel too, and have done, and the knife is still sound.
Like Mors Kochanski can climb a tree by shoving a mora straight in and standing on it. It's not abuse, it's use.....

Both those uses are abuse. Get a proper axe and a proper set of climbing spikes. LOL. Just like I should have gotten a proper panel bar to lift that F-4 panel.
 
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Toddy

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No, in bushcraft those are normal use. That's what we're trying to explain to people who insist that we should have a plethora of tools.
One knife manages it fine, but for most of us that not a hunting knife to do the job.
No way am I going for a walk carrying an axe or climbing spikes, but see those crampballs up thon Ash tree ? or the bark on that fallen birch, or ...... they're mine and I'll figure out a way to get them. The knife I'm carrying is the tool that makes the job much easier.

The corollary is learning to use that knife and not treasure it so much that it never gets used. If you're fretting about the expense buy a mora or a hultfors, they're both good, and they will take bushcraft use.

Don't think I'd use it on an F-4 though....maybe ? :D I know that I can cut aluminium with it and it didn't even knacker the edge :)
Tree ties I am incredibly wary of now though :bluThinki

cheers,
M
 

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Agreed that the best tools for butchering large game are a proper set of butchers' knives and bone saws. And those are (or should be) readily available in the UK and even here in Florida. But not maybe or maybe not so in a real hunting camp.

Here in Scotland we don't have hunting camps as such, we have estate lodges and larders, only a poacher would generally look to process game on the hill or in a camp, although there are circumstances where it's done legally. The vast majority of shot game is almost always recovered from the field/hill, argo-cat, quad (4 wheeler in the US), pony or sheer brute manpower, to the larder where it's finally dressed if need be, hung and in some cases butchered after hanging, or sold whole (which is how I buy mine so my butchering is conducted at home, although it's not unknown for me to have a haunch or two off a road kill, usually with just a pen knife).

Beasts that need drawing are initially dressed where they're shot, the liver heart and kidneys recovered, sometimes the stomach (poc a' bhuie, the yellow bag/sack) is used to carry the salvageable offal, sometimes for cooking too, more than once I've woken to find a full yellow bag hung from my front door handle, I don't care for the kidneys too much, or the bag.

All of that can be achieved with a sharp knife of any type really, the thin tip of a 110 or similar is ideally suited to getting at the grealach (guts), the tip of a bushcrafter would do just fine as well, provided it's sharp enough to cut neatly through the hide with the necessary degree of precision.

Knives generally;

For me a knife is just a knife, provided you don't cut yourself someone else break or generally cause trouble with it, I don't have an issue with any of it. Thats how I was educated, by my dad then reinforced as a boy scout (and teaching younger guys as part of becoming a chief scout ;))

As a want to be adventurer and climber I always maintained a sharp knife, sometimes over enthusiastically so, but working as a share fisherman in my youth thrashed that out of me, stood in all weathers sometimes for 36+hrs at a time mending bust nets, nets impregnated with grit sand and mud, takes the glamour out of sharpening as the requirement is on occasion seemingly endless, and thousands of individual-precision-cuts-per-net-mending-torture-session (death by a thousand cuts) really dulls ones enthusiasm for all things knife, for life.

Well, I enjoy an hour or two these days with the guys on the pier but thats about craic not work. If I can avoid using a knife I do, because I'm lazy but have the curse of a seemingly hard wired work ethic, and I'm not even a protestant. Why blunt a knife if you don't need to? I've Japanese combi water stone 1000/6000, a quality oil stone 800/2000, a diamond lansky 4 grit set, a steel and most recently a pocket DC4. I can use them all well enough but would rather not, it's a chore for me not a vocation.

I still work with rope string accessory cord, even the dreaded "para cord" :D in a professional capacity so I always have a serviceable knife available for those jobs that need it and to this day it's a carbon steel (folding) fisherman's mending knife, you can take the boy from the fishing but you can't take the fishing from the boy ;) It's this type of knife thats my bench mark that I measure all others by, it's what I know, my sixth finger.

Bushcraft isn't a means to an end for me, rather it's a collection of applicable skills, some relevant to what I do, some not so, like the different types of folks on here, it's a broad church.

Some bushy skills I've mastered well enough down the years, at others I'm a novice. I'm no Grizzly Adams or backwoods man, although I've had my share of adventures, and still do on occasion, but if I'm honest, really honest, I've never had a genuine need for any knife other than my wee carbon folder, I have others and I was using my MH O1 carbon DP1 (adorned in maidean dubh' an donais: the black sticks of the devil, african blackwood so named by the kirk as thats the wood used to make bagpipes) in ernest dressing hazel staffs just this weekend, salvaging usable wood ahead of a visit by the hydro line clearing gang. But nothing that I couldn't have done at home or in location with my wee pen knife, with a little due care and diligence.
 
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I'm somewhat astonished at the folks here who have broken knives. Of course, that's not so unusual with a screwdriver, either, given that it's a natural for prying things, punching holes and so on. Overall, however, upon reflection, I'd have to say that a typical bushcraft knife would make a better hunting knife than a typical hunting knife would make a good bushcraft/woodcraft knife. But all these definitions are the property of the users. The makers don't care and that's why they make so many variaties of knifes big and small. And speaking of small, you might note that physician uses a relatively tiny knife to do his bloody business (so don't imagine that "surgical precision" means bloodless). But it's sharp; a sharp knife cuts for anyone.

I would also add that it's difficult to whittle it down to just one and in fact, you can buy sets of hunting knives and even Finnish-style outdoor knives that have multiple knives, all in one sheath. Eventually, however, you will figure out what works best for your own requirements. One will also notice that the learned opinions of what is absolutely essential has changed over the years.
 

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