just thought I'd say, I found an old razor latherer, stone one side strop the other. I've neve liked strops as they're soft and take the edge off things (maybe the point of them)The stone gives a great edge and you can't see the grindind marks unlike others, its ridgid, but still leaves the edge "razor sharp" . The edge integrity is superb as its such a fine stone. i just need a rougher stone so I can remove alot of metal as this stone will take you all day. One car boot bargain I'm pleased with.