I have access to some land but unfortunately there is no wild garlic on it.However I also know of some growing in a hedgerow /roadside .What I would like to know is could I succesfully transplant them ,to increase my larder.Has anyone any tips or experience of thisplease.
Ramsins/Wild Garlic
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No problem. There are laws/bylaws and guidelines about picking bulbs though, especially in certain areas, do a quick check first. Ransoms are so common though that there's unlikely to be any trouble. The easiest way is to collect the little bulbils that form after the flowers die. These are in effect mini bulbs that nature intends for seeding, and you don't even need to dig them up. I gather as I walk and sow in promising looking ground....seems to work fine. I don't usually bother digging them in but I'm sure it wouldn't hurt to cover them lightly especially if you have a specific site in mind. I have some in a pot for demonstrations at 'country to city' days and they seem to thrive there too.
Best of luck with it,
Toddy
Best of luck with it,
Toddy
I really don't know. I just keep where they grow in mind, like bluebells or comfrey. I've never eaten Ransoms bulbs, I just pinch a leaf at a time. Someone else must know.....now I'm curious too 
Cheers,
Toddy
Cheers,
Toddy
Hi Mike
All wild plants are given some protection under the laws of the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland. Under the Wildlife and Countryside Act, 1981, which covers Britain, it is illegal to uproot any wild plant without permission from the landowner or occupier. Uproot is defined as to dig up or otherwise remove the plant from the land on which it is growing, whether or not it actually has roots.
There are also plants protected under Schedule 8 of the Act which have further protection but Wild Garlic/ Ransoms (Allium ursinum) is included on this list. The list available here:
Schedule 8 - Protected plants (including those added in 1998)
So provided you get the permission of the landowner first and double check any local bye-laws as Toddy rightly suggests then you should be OK.
About transplanting them:
Just be aware that eco systems are fragile and that introducing a species into a particular habitat can have an adverse impact on existing plants. For instance wild garlic can spread rapidly and may well overwhelm other existing plants which can not compete with it. There may also be a good reason why there is no wild garlic in your wood such as different soil type , soil moisture levels ( they need moist soil and competition from trees may effect this), shading etc so establishment my be an issue. Just some things to think about before introducing them.
But it is a great plant and well worth 'sniffing' out. The link above to the PFAF site has more detail on it (search the database there for lots of info).
Simon
All wild plants are given some protection under the laws of the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland. Under the Wildlife and Countryside Act, 1981, which covers Britain, it is illegal to uproot any wild plant without permission from the landowner or occupier. Uproot is defined as to dig up or otherwise remove the plant from the land on which it is growing, whether or not it actually has roots.
There are also plants protected under Schedule 8 of the Act which have further protection but Wild Garlic/ Ransoms (Allium ursinum) is included on this list. The list available here:
Schedule 8 - Protected plants (including those added in 1998)
So provided you get the permission of the landowner first and double check any local bye-laws as Toddy rightly suggests then you should be OK.
About transplanting them:
source: PFAF-Plant Portrait - Allium ursinum, Wild Garlic
Just be aware that eco systems are fragile and that introducing a species into a particular habitat can have an adverse impact on existing plants. For instance wild garlic can spread rapidly and may well overwhelm other existing plants which can not compete with it. There may also be a good reason why there is no wild garlic in your wood such as different soil type , soil moisture levels ( they need moist soil and competition from trees may effect this), shading etc so establishment my be an issue. Just some things to think about before introducing them.
But it is a great plant and well worth 'sniffing' out
. The link above to the PFAF site has more detail on it (search the database there for lots of info).Simon
Mike
From your signature, am I right that this is you?
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I have followed your threads with interest and have to say - if you are teaching the craft, the threads suggest a little missing in the experience department, maybe even to the point of you picking up tips and tricks here to sell on your newly set up school, ie Hangi cooking etc
Just my opinion
From your signature, am I right that this is you?
http://www.bushcraftuk.co.uk/200/company_info1.html
Scroll down to this
http://www.oakhilladventureandsurvival.com/
I have followed your threads with interest and have to say - if you are teaching the craft, the threads suggest a little missing in the experience department, maybe even to the point of you picking up tips and tricks here to sell on your newly set up school, ie Hangi cooking etc
Just my opinion
Oh and the plant I think your refering to is "Ramsons" not "Ramsins"
But then again O is next to the I
But then again O is next to the I
Just re-read your first post
In my experience Ramsons will not be in full flower for at least some more passing weeks and does not grow in hedgrows, but beside river banks.
Perhaps the plant you are talking about is Hedge garlic.
Maybe you could post a picture for positve ID
In my experience Ramsons will not be in full flower for at least some more passing weeks and does not grow in hedgrows, but beside river banks.
Perhaps the plant you are talking about is Hedge garlic.
Maybe you could post a picture for positve ID
chris, I have to say that this sort of personal comment is best dealt with privately via PM or otherwise, and kept off an open forum.
It does nothing to contribute to this thread subject IMO.
It does nothing to contribute to this thread subject IMO.
chris said:Just re-read your first post
In my experience Ramsons will not be in full flower for at least some more passing weeks and does not grow in hedgrows, but beside river banks.
Perhaps the plant you are talking about is Hedge garlic.
Maybe you could post a picture for positve ID
I'm in central Scotland, it's in flower here just now and it's growing in hedgerows and woodland....we don't usually find it beside river banks.....it likes damp but doesn't seem to thrive in 'saturated' soils. Possibly different regional environments?
You seem to have a problem with new/small/part time Bushcraft schools Chris...or is it rather those who run them? If it's your opinion, argue away.....but this thread was information on flora and fauna, please start a new thread, linked if necessary.....and it's too early in the morning for this s***
*Does* anyone actually eat ransoms bulbs? enquiring minds would like to know
Grumpily,
Toddy
I was brought up and live in the Lake District and this was a plant we collected from being young, in well over forty years I have never seen it more than 50 feet away from a river bank, in large colonies and in my experience it allways flowered here in middle May to early June. I have yet to see it growing in a wood without a river or in a hedgrow away from a river, then again, global warming and all that.
As for the other comments - my opinion and as someone who attends courses - an observation that I expect a certain level of skill base, this is the basics. I'm sure the people involved will take it as constructive critism, that is the way it was intended.
I believe people do eat the bulbs, garlic has many qualities and does wonders to bland foods.
As for the other comments - my opinion and as someone who attends courses - an observation that I expect a certain level of skill base, this is the basics. I'm sure the people involved will take it as constructive critism, that is the way it was intended.
I believe people do eat the bulbs, garlic has many qualities and does wonders to bland foods.
Then you need to read the rules of this forum which are clear on this.chris said:
You can find the post by the Admin here:
http://www.bushcraftuk.com/community/showpost.php?p=932&postcount=1
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Toddy, yep, and they are nice to
Here is some info:source: pfaf database - allium ursinum
More useful info on that page. I thought this was quite interesting:
I have never tried this myself.
The botanical name which includes 'ursinum' from the Latin 'ursus meaning 'bear' reflects the French common name of 'Ail des ours' or 'Bears Garlic'. I have no idea if bears really do like it though
From experience it is quite normal for wild garlic to be in flower down in the South-West of England now, being generally somewhat milder down there.
I'm going to be keeping my eyes peeled for some of these, I just love garlic and the chance to cook outside with wild garlic would be great.
Thanks for the info Moonraker
Hellz
Thanks for the info Moonraker
Hellz
Anything to spread garlic happiness HellzHellz said:I'm going to be keeping my eyes peeled for some of these, I just love garlic and the chance to cook outside with wild garlic would be great.
Thanks for the info Moonraker
Hellz
Try this recipe I posted on the 'April Forage' thread. Really nice Wild Garlic Pesto
Ingredients:
1 large handful wild garlic leaves, well washed and patted dry
(as an option add a touch of wild mint and/or wild thyme)
2 tablespoons pine nuts
1 clove garlic, peeled and crushed (optional)
1 cup olive oil
5 tablespoons of parmigiano reggiano cheese, freshly grated
coarse sea salt and freshly cracked black pepper to taste.
Method:
Ground the wild garlic, pine kernels, garlic and olive oil in a pestle & mortar is best but OK in a food processor. Add in the cheese and taste, add salt and pepper as required. Store the pesto in a sterilised jar in the fridge.
Superb on fire toasted bread
That sounds great. I make my own basil pesto quite a bit in season and can't believe how good it tastes compared to shop bought stuff.
Now comes the foraging
Thanks for that,
Hellz
Now comes the foraging
Thanks for that,
Hellz
Thanks for all of the information Moonraker, I'm *so* going to give the pesto a shot.The little bulbils used like capers sounds a neat idea too, in a good year there are literally thousands of them in our woodlands.
Cheers,
Toddy
Cheers,
Toddy
Hi,
Here in North Wales the ramsons are in full flower in many places - try the unopened flower buds if you haven't missed them.
As previously posted, don't dig them up, just collect the seed - but be prepared to be swamped (I put in 50 bulbs a couple of years ago, and reckon I must have over 250 plants by now!!). Incidentally, if you want to order any bulbs, let me know.
Will certainly try the ramsons pesto recipe!!
Here in North Wales the ramsons are in full flower in many places - try the unopened flower buds if you haven't missed them.
As previously posted, don't dig them up, just collect the seed - but be prepared to be swamped (I put in 50 bulbs a couple of years ago, and reckon I must have over 250 plants by now!!). Incidentally, if you want to order any bulbs, let me know.
Will certainly try the ramsons pesto recipe!!
checked my local patch here today, there also flowering, I'm sure things are getting earlier each year or maybe my bodyclock is getting later
Please, please do not start propagating this horrible stinkweed!
Some was growing in the garden of a house where I once lived. I was out gathering mushrooms (shaggy ink cap, Coprinus comatus) and smelt somthing horrible, akin to rotting flesh. I asked the landlord if he'd buried a bad payer, and he told me there was some wild garlick, and that I must have walked on it.
There is mention in one of Thomas Hardy's books of throwing away all the milk taken from a cow, because it had eaten wild garlic in the field, and the milk was tainted with the "tang" and no longer any use for making butter.
Keith.
Some was growing in the garden of a house where I once lived. I was out gathering mushrooms (shaggy ink cap, Coprinus comatus) and smelt somthing horrible, akin to rotting flesh. I asked the landlord if he'd buried a bad payer, and he told me there was some wild garlick, and that I must have walked on it.
There is mention in one of Thomas Hardy's books of throwing away all the milk taken from a cow, because it had eaten wild garlic in the field, and the milk was tainted with the "tang" and no longer any use for making butter.
Keith.
