winter tent
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What sort are you looking for? A Baker style tent, a bell tent, a tipi?
Are you going to be wanting to carry in or purely car camping? You alone or family and friends?
We have a ten tipi with a frontier stove and it really is amazing +30c even in the winter.
Pros, it is warm, everything dries pretty quickly, you can cook on it.
Cons. A lot of extra weight. And if you choose to go down the cotton route (more hard wearing and spark resistant), even heavier.
(there are light weight set ups available, have a search on here for the set ups people have here).
You have to be vey organised or risk singing things on the hot stove.
In wet conditions (in my tipi at least), water can come in through the chimney hole, although baker tents and other side mounted flues probably don't have this problem.
Sport pursuit have the Bergans 8-10 man tip for only £235 at the mo, a good way to get started.
Are you going to be wanting to carry in or purely car camping? You alone or family and friends?
We have a ten tipi with a frontier stove and it really is amazing +30c even in the winter.
Pros, it is warm, everything dries pretty quickly, you can cook on it.
Cons. A lot of extra weight. And if you choose to go down the cotton route (more hard wearing and spark resistant), even heavier.
(there are light weight set ups available, have a search on here for the set ups people have here).
You have to be vey organised or risk singing things on the hot stove.
In wet conditions (in my tipi at least), water can come in through the chimney hole, although baker tents and other side mounted flues probably don't have this problem.
Sport pursuit have the Bergans 8-10 man tip for only £235 at the mo, a good way to get started.
I am looking for 2 max 3 guys tent , I dont care about weight I will be taking it with a snowmobile , my back can't handle big weights, it has some problems
The only tents made for an internal stove (I know of) are much, much bigger than for 2-3 people.
Evenif you designed a tent yourself, and had it custom made, which is easy, it will be a quite large one as you need space between the stove and tent, and space between the people and the stove.
I am thinking a classic 4 people tent will sleep 2 if a stove is placed in the middle.
My suggestion would be to get a proper sleeping bag, made for Arctic conditions. With one of those you can sleep anywhere.
Evenif you designed a tent yourself, and had it custom made, which is easy, it will be a quite large one as you need space between the stove and tent, and space between the people and the stove.
I am thinking a classic 4 people tent will sleep 2 if a stove is placed in the middle.
My suggestion would be to get a proper sleeping bag, made for Arctic conditions. With one of those you can sleep anywhere.
Here you go www.beckelcanvas.com They make all sorts of traditional wall tents, baker tents, wedge tents, tipi tents, etc. All with or without re-enforced stove holes. From 8' x 8' on up to 24'
They're a bit expensive though and postage from the US would be exorbitant.
They're a bit expensive though and postage from the US would be exorbitant.
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What kind of stove did you have in mind?
You can adopt a tent to have a stove inside, but need to be careful with the builtup of CO and also the heat from the pipe.
You can adopt a tent to have a stove inside, but need to be careful with the builtup of CO and also the heat from the pipe.
I have a bergans 4-6 man but its really a 2-3 man in the real world. Remember you can fit a stove jack to any suitably sized tent
I just use a household fire blanket wrapped around the flue
Also have a look on youtube for 'ammo can stove'
Heres mine
I use it with the roll up titanium flue off my ti-goat wifi stove
I just use a household fire blanket wrapped around the flue
Also have a look on youtube for 'ammo can stove'
Heres mine
I use it with the roll up titanium flue off my ti-goat wifi stove
I'll buy a stove , that's not a problem here , brand new ones for 30$ people still use them here in their houses in winter , yes I think canvas is the way to go , I wanted to do this after I saw uncle Ray doing it in one of his shows I don't remember which one
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Ah - this is a question fraught with ancillary questions! When you say 2-3 people including stove, do you want survival only, or reasonable room? Is the ability to stand up important - especially important if you have a back problem, You say weight isn't important, but canvas tents are heavy to cart about and put up, and even heavier to pack away, especially if wet. Drying then becomes an issue.
Ditto with stoves. Lightweight (titanium or stainless steel) or heavyweight - cast iron? Both have pros and cons. Good quality iron stoves - see Fourdog ones as a notable example - are well built and have good draft-control. They retain heat well, and will keep a fire alive longer than the lightweight stoves. They are relatively cheap and will last well. (note that some of the cheaper (thinner metal) iron stoves actually will rust out very quickly if not looked after well, and you'll need to insulate the bottom of the stove with sand/earth to avoid the bottom burning out). Titanium and Stainless steel stoves are much, much lighter, much more resistant to burn-through, and pump out heat very quickly. On the downside, they don't retain the heat for as long, and cost much more.
So, lots to look at! What temps are you looking to use it at? -25C and lower, you're looking at specialist kit. How long? The longer you're in sub-zero temps, the more you'll need the drying provided by a stove. How are you carrying it? With a canvas/iron stove set-up you'll need transport - and your snowmobile will need to pull a sled!
Youtube is your friend here. Some things to look for include,
-tents. Seekoutside, Kifaru, tentipi, Helsport are all good tipi-style tents. Arctic Oven tents, Snowtrekker.
- stoves. Seekoutside, kifaru, Snowtrekker, tentipi, Hlsport, Fourdog, Hillpeoplegear, kni-co.
Ditto with stoves. Lightweight (titanium or stainless steel) or heavyweight - cast iron? Both have pros and cons. Good quality iron stoves - see Fourdog ones as a notable example - are well built and have good draft-control. They retain heat well, and will keep a fire alive longer than the lightweight stoves. They are relatively cheap and will last well. (note that some of the cheaper (thinner metal) iron stoves actually will rust out very quickly if not looked after well, and you'll need to insulate the bottom of the stove with sand/earth to avoid the bottom burning out). Titanium and Stainless steel stoves are much, much lighter, much more resistant to burn-through, and pump out heat very quickly. On the downside, they don't retain the heat for as long, and cost much more.
So, lots to look at! What temps are you looking to use it at? -25C and lower, you're looking at specialist kit. How long? The longer you're in sub-zero temps, the more you'll need the drying provided by a stove. How are you carrying it? With a canvas/iron stove set-up you'll need transport - and your snowmobile will need to pull a sled!
Youtube is your friend here. Some things to look for include,
-tents. Seekoutside, Kifaru, tentipi, Helsport are all good tipi-style tents. Arctic Oven tents, Snowtrekker.
- stoves. Seekoutside, kifaru, Snowtrekker, tentipi, Hlsport, Fourdog, Hillpeoplegear, kni-co.
Something like this , made by locals , but with the fire part only , this one is an oven
http://prntscr.com/cnfr68
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The best way to protect a sheet metal stove from losing the bottom is to have a perforated, removable insert about an inch or two from the bottom. Keeps the hot coals away from the metal, and the askes protect too.
I found that an easy way to dry clothes in freezing temperature is to leave them outside. Freeze drying.
If you dry them inside the air gets very humid, and the humidity goes into the sleeping bag.
We always left all equipment, including guns, outside. Except the sleeping bag, shoes, the coffee pot and coffee!
The best way to protect a sheet metal stove from losing the bottom is to have a perforated, removable insert about an inch or two from the bottom. Keeps the hot coals away from the metal, and the askes protect too.
I found that an easy way to dry clothes in freezing temperature is to leave them outside. Freeze drying.
If you dry them inside the air gets very humid, and the humidity goes into the sleeping bag.
We always left all equipment, including guns, outside. Except the sleeping bag, shoes, the coffee pot and coffee!
Common sheet metal stoves in bush cabins here are "Air-Tight" brand. They can take round wood 18" and less.
To keep from burning out the bottoms, we always put 2" dry sand in them. Helps a bit with stability, too.
To keep from burning out the bottoms, we always put 2" dry sand in them. Helps a bit with stability, too.
Try taking a look at wintertrekking.com. Loads of useful info there.
FWIW I have an Arctic Oven AO10 tent and a Two Dog model Four Dog stove. Very pleased with the pair although the stove is really too warm for the tent except in extreme conditions, unless one leaves the tent door open! I have the optional water jacket and the warming shelf for the stove.
FWIW I have an Arctic Oven AO10 tent and a Two Dog model Four Dog stove. Very pleased with the pair although the stove is really too warm for the tent except in extreme conditions, unless one leaves the tent door open! I have the optional water jacket and the warming shelf for the stove.
ones we use here dont have that problems , the size varries from very very small , till the size of a fireplace
Can't say I've ever noticed any problems with humidity inside a tent with a stove going (assuming that it has an external vent). Quite the opposite, in fact! Indeed, even with a snow floor, I've not experienced any humidity issues whilst the stove was going.
Not too keen on the freeze-drying method for clothes etc, although it makes a lot of sense to leave certain equipment outside the tent. With clothes, I've found it difficult to get all of the frost out by beating the stuff. It's better than nothing though if no stove available.
Build yourself a tipi not entirly sure if you'd get it on the sledge, but maybe, huge poles and a mountain of canvas (2 layers to prevent condensation soaking everything) can be a challenge, but they heat up beautifully, have lots of space and are a fairly simple design
Would recommend a carbon monoxide alarm no matter what type of tent you get
not entirly sure if you'd get it on the sledge, but maybe, huge poles and a mountain of canvas (2 layers to prevent condensation soaking everything) can be a challenge, but they heat up beautifully, have lots of space and are a fairly simple designWould recommend a carbon monoxide alarm no matter what type of tent you get
