Very odd way of starting a fire !
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Its these types of discussion that should really be done in E prime
Or should I say :
Discussions that appear to be held about topics such as these seem to be more productive when using what i know as E prime.
Not a master of it but im sure you get what i mean
Or should I say :
Discussions that appear to be held about topics such as these seem to be more productive when using what i know as E prime.
Not a master of it but im sure you get what i mean
Lol, quite funny but just poor magic. Some people will believe anything.
I wonder how many of you have a ball of newpaper in your hands tonight trying to light it on fire.
I wonder how many of you have a ball of newpaper in your hands tonight trying to light it on fire.
Would you like to buy some magic beans?
Why is it that when Paul Daniels does some sleight of hand people can understand its just that but when some yogurt weaver does it people are willing to put their brain in neutral and accept it as a "Chi energy".
Yeah right
Before someone says that I should prove them wrong its worth remembering that its pretty much impossible to prove a negative, its possible to prove a positive though.
Beyond reasonable doubt goes a long way as well
Why is it that when Paul Daniels does some sleight of hand people can understand its just that but when some yogurt weaver does it people are willing to put their brain in neutral and accept it as a "Chi energy".
Yeah right
Before someone says that I should prove them wrong its worth remembering that its pretty much impossible to prove a negative, its possible to prove a positive though.
Beyond reasonable doubt goes a long way as well
Brendan said:
Consider someone who's taken a mind altering chemical and really believes they can fly. Should you ideas be correct ( in their entirety ) then surely at least one of them would have managed it.
Instead we have some dead and some who, luckily, survived their falls to tell us about it. This heavily suggests, to me, that ( even if accepted in principle ) your ideas need to be modified to something like "within certain parameters many unusual things are possible", as opposed to "anythings is possible".
Must be my personality. Whilst I could have been putting this video to one side as pure theatre instead I was ruminating on how the phenomenon in the video could genuinely be produced. The personal electricity thing for a start. The film proposes that he generates an electric dipole at his waist. The problem with that is the human body is far too good a conductor to make that possible. You would have the same electric potential in all your hands and feet (except for tiny residual effects like we might measure with an ECG.)
So, assume he is genuinely creating electric shocks then he would have the same potential all over. So then I would propose that he was wired to a Van De Graf generator with an intermittent connection.
The fire thing has to be pure fiction.
So, assume he is genuinely creating electric shocks then he would have the same potential all over. So then I would propose that he was wired to a Van De Graf generator with an intermittent connection.
The fire thing has to be pure fiction.
Hmm....you're going to turn out to be a weird one aren't you, wicked firestarer?
First homeopathy, now this
Should you have chosen the username 'troll'
Best regards,
Paul.
First homeopathy, now this
Should you have chosen the username 'troll'
Best regards,
Paul.
Wow beats rubbing two sticks together 
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Well yes easily faked, doesn't mean it was though. That is the trouble with chinese and other easton arts like this, they have a long tradition of mixing real skills and techniques with theater and tricks to make the real part ether seem more amazing or even make it more effective by suggestion. Many martial arts do this by contriving stuns that make you think there much stronger or tougher or have some magic power so that you have a mental disadvantage when you fight them. of cores some of them mite be real as well or have there roots in reality, you do have to keep an open mind unless you actually see how it couldn't be faked or see the slight of hand or misdirection yourself. I must say I've never experienced a chea master myself, so if I did I mite be able to make up my mine one way or the other.
But anyhow it's a good party trick .
.Well yes easily faked, doesn't mean it was though. That is the trouble with chinese and other easton arts like this, they have a long tradition of mixing real skills and techniques with theater and tricks to make the real part ether seem more amazing or even make it more effective by suggestion. Many martial arts do this by contriving stuns that make you think there much stronger or tougher or have some magic power so that you have a mental disadvantage when you fight them. of cores some of them mite be real as well or have there roots in reality, you do have to keep an open mind unless you actually see how it couldn't be faked or see the slight of hand or misdirection yourself. I must say I've never experienced a chea master myself, so if I did I mite be able to make up my mine one way or the other.
But anyhow it's a good party trick
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How did we get from parlour trick "magic" to quantum theory
To me the simplest explanation is usually the best so either that "chi" energy chap utilised previously untapped quantum energies or he has just tried to pull the wool over our eyes with sleight of hand and trickery.
Errrrrrr, I'm gonna have to think on this one for a minute....
Can I phone a friend?
Ask yourself, do you think that the shortarsed magic man Paul Daniels do something like that?
I reckon he could work it out.
To me the simplest explanation is usually the best so either that "chi" energy chap utilised previously untapped quantum energies or he has just tried to pull the wool over our eyes with sleight of hand and trickery.
Errrrrrr, I'm gonna have to think on this one for a minute....
Can I phone a friend?
Ask yourself, do you think that the shortarsed magic man Paul Daniels do something like that?
I reckon he could work it out.
demographic said:How did we get from parlour trick "magic" to quantum theory
It's easily done
demographic said:
That's usually the best course of action
Cheers,
Paul.
" Hmm....you're going to turn out to be a weird one aren't you, wicked firestarer?
First homeopathy, now this
Should you have chosen the username 'troll' "
Green Man- isn't that a pagan deity?
I don't really have a problem with the chi fire starting thing, maybe it is real, maybe it is just baloney. I think personal experience counts for a lot and if on life's path one experiences something which doesn't fit with the reductionist view it doesn't make it any less real. Right I'm off to weave me some yoghurt
First homeopathy, now this
Should you have chosen the username 'troll' "
Green Man- isn't that a pagan deity?
I don't really have a problem with the chi fire starting thing, maybe it is real, maybe it is just baloney. I think personal experience counts for a lot and if on life's path one experiences something which doesn't fit with the reductionist view it doesn't make it any less real. Right I'm off to weave me some yoghurt
twisted firestarter said:"...Green Man- isn't that a pagan deity?
...It sure is! But I just wear a lot of geen clothing
twisted firestarter said:"...It ... Right I'm off to weave me some yoghurt
Well, I'm off to weave me some rabbit stew
(really!)
(really),Paul.
PS: I'm only joking when I'm serious, and serious when I'm joking
...Peace (reallly, trulely...serious).
Simple Chemical Equations
Nitrogen triiodide NI3 (exploding purple paste) has a reaction from 2NI3 → N2 + 3I2, ok there was no bang or smoke, but paint some onto an object let it dry, and a slight knock or tap will make it go bang almost "Magically"
or
KMnO4 + C12-H22-O11 add a drop of H2O and with in ten or so seconds you have fire.
Crystalline disaccharide (sugar) C12-H22-O11
Potassium Permanganate = KMnO4
Water=H20
Add some of mix of first compound to the paper and the sweat from your hands would add enough water to make the compound burst in to flames, in about ten seconds.
Or add a tissue to the bundle of news paper, (not hard to do, its just a simple slight of hand), and sweat will do the rest.
Nitrogen triiodide NI3 (exploding purple paste) has a reaction from 2NI3 → N2 + 3I2, ok there was no bang or smoke, but paint some onto an object let it dry, and a slight knock or tap will make it go bang almost "Magically"
or
KMnO4 + C12-H22-O11 add a drop of H2O and with in ten or so seconds you have fire.
Crystalline disaccharide (sugar) C12-H22-O11
Potassium Permanganate = KMnO4
Water=H20
Add some of mix of first compound to the paper and the sweat from your hands would add enough water to make the compound burst in to flames, in about ten seconds.
Or add a tissue to the bundle of news paper, (not hard to do, its just a simple slight of hand), and sweat will do the rest.
Tadpole said:
Stirling work, Tadpole (it's given me much to think about)! Thank you
Best regards,
Paul.
what a well researched and argued thread!
I was completely indifferent and didn't even watch the video,but I enjoyed reading it.
East is East..... 
I was completely indifferent and didn't even watch the video,but I enjoyed reading it.
East is East.....
There are many ways he could have done it chemically, the simplest solution is usually right one and as mentioned before he was smoking a cigarette.
I am surprised no one has mentioned the force. Surly that could be used to start fires?
I am surprised no one has mentioned the force. Surly that could be used to start fires?
Nitrogen triiodide NI3 (exploding purple paste) has a reaction from 2NI3 ? N2 + 3I2, ok there was no bang or smoke, but paint some onto an object let it dry, and a slight knock or tap will make it go bang almost "Magically"
or
KMnO4 + C12-H22-O11 add a drop of H2O and with in ten or so seconds you have fire.
Crystalline disaccharide (sugar) C12-H22-O11
Potassium Permanganate = KMnO4
Water=H20
Add some of mix of first compound to the paper and the sweat from your hands would add enough water to make the compound burst in to flames, in about ten seconds.
Or add a tissue to the bundle of news paper, (not hard to do, its just a simple slight of hand), and sweat will do the rest.
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Thanks for the explanation Tadpole. Do you know if those chemicals are synthetic or can they be derived from nature? you can probably guess where I'm going with this If they do occur in nature then could they not be gathered and used to fire start?
or
KMnO4 + C12-H22-O11 add a drop of H2O and with in ten or so seconds you have fire.
Crystalline disaccharide (sugar) C12-H22-O11
Potassium Permanganate = KMnO4
Water=H20
Add some of mix of first compound to the paper and the sweat from your hands would add enough water to make the compound burst in to flames, in about ten seconds.
Or add a tissue to the bundle of news paper, (not hard to do, its just a simple slight of hand), and sweat will do the rest.
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Thanks for the explanation Tadpole. Do you know if those chemicals are synthetic or can they be derived from nature? you can probably guess where I'm going with this
If they do occur in nature then could they not be gathered and used to fire start?
I may have taken this thread off topic by talking about quantum physics and a Holographic reality in regards to the original video of a guy probably performing a simple conjuring trick but for anyone interested in where I was coming from take a look at this Video .
It's just under 2hrs long but pretty interesting IMHO.
It's just under 2hrs long but pretty interesting IMHO.
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