Would anyone be interested in learning how to make fire by hand drill using materials from your local lumber supply? I recall that JC has already mastered the hand drill with a native Australian spindle. You may be very surprised to find how easy this method can be when using the right materials. That feeling of satisfaction that comes from making fire without matches grows in initensity with the more primitive methods.The more primitive the set up and the fewer the components used, the greater the thrill. My best time to coal formation by hand drill so far is 12 seconds - not a world record, but a great sense of accomplishment none the less. I think I can help you do the same.