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Fly Fishing - Beginner
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Traditional fly-fishing for brown trout is very simple - Stoddart & others tied their own flies & fished for a living - their flies and methods still work: https://archive.org/details/university_of_california_libraries?&and[]=thomas%20tod%20stoddart
I didn't think you'd be able to substantiate it. FWIW, the spelling was similar until the 17th Century - see here:
Whereas coarse and game fishing, as terms, originate from the 19th Century. Ergo, coarse fishing has always been spelled coarse and never course.
As I said before, you can choose to be wrong if you like, that's fine, but it doesn't change the actual facts.
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/coarseOED said:
Whereas coarse and game fishing, as terms, originate from the 19th Century. Ergo, coarse fishing has always been spelled coarse and never course.
As I said before, you can choose to be wrong if you like, that's fine, but it doesn't change the actual facts.
I always thought the "coarse" pertained to the fish and not the angler. Things like trout and salmon were viewed as finer eating and fighting fish and so weren't coarse. So is their any need to turn it into a class war? It's possible to take the fish in various ways.
me2 
- but some "coarse" fish are DELICIOUS - so it IS a class war - especially when someone on here called course anglers "vulgar"...
- but some "coarse" fish are DELICIOUS - so it IS a class war - especially when someone on here called course anglers "vulgar"...
Ye should all be guddlin' anyway…..but apparantly it's illegal because it's "Unsporting!!", to take fish just using your hands
Damned sight more skilful though, and you don't chance leaving a fish to the misery of a hook in it's mouth or gut or a broken jaw either.
I suppose it really depends on how keen you are on obtaining dinner, or just tormenting fish for the fun of it.
Toddy…..cat among the pigeons
Damned sight more skilful though, and you don't chance leaving a fish to the misery of a hook in it's mouth or gut or a broken jaw either.
I suppose it really depends on how keen you are on obtaining dinner, or just tormenting fish for the fun of it.
Toddy…..cat among the pigeons
agreed, you didn't THINK 
re-read your OWN last post - and THINK! You can choose to be wrong if you like, that's fine, but it doesn't change the actual facts
- it's not about who's right. it's about what's right - you are arguing from selected info. So, I will respond no more, Adze.
re-read your OWN last post - and THINK! You can choose to be wrong if you like, that's fine, but it doesn't change the actual facts - it's not about who's right. it's about what's right - you are arguing from selected info. So, I will respond no more, Adze.
Ye should all be guddlin' anyway ..but apparantly it's illegal because it's "Unsporting!!", to take fish just using your hands
Damned sight more skilful though, and you don't chance leaving a fish to the misery of a hook in it's mouth or gut or a broken jaw either.
I suppose it really depends on how keen you are on obtaining dinner, or just tormenting fish for the fun of it.
Toddy ..cat among the pigeons
Ars Garn Yam Marra 1 year ago in reply to BiohazardBunney
"well said. it is indeed the most natural fish friendly form of fishing. but because money rules fishing and the world in general the rich toff land owners class it as poaching and theres no way all the fishing kit manufacturers would allow this to take a strong foot hold as it would put them out of business due to the fact they cant sell you a pair of hands when you have your own"...
It's not money that rules fishing, it's the shiny-itis of kit that rules fishing
Yes we know that some 'beats' are ridiculously priced (not for the riparian owner though who has to support the rest of his estate on the proceeds perhaps) but on the whole fishing is only as expensive as you choose to let it be.
This is a bushcraft site though; make your own I don't even fish yet I made fishing line from horsehair just to see how it was done. I have seen some of the most beautiful work from folks like Patrick, Stuart, Asemery, and others, and fishing is as much a part of bushcraft as all those weird little 4 shape traps things…..yet there are very few folks seem to have a go at making their own kit.
Told you….cat among the pigeons
Toddy
Yes we know that some 'beats' are ridiculously priced (not for the riparian owner though who has to support the rest of his estate on the proceeds perhaps) but on the whole fishing is only as expensive as you choose to let it be.
This is a bushcraft site though; make your own
I don't even fish yet I made fishing line from horsehair just to see how it was done. I have seen some of the most beautiful work from folks like Patrick, Stuart, Asemery, and others, and fishing is as much a part of bushcraft as all those weird little 4 shape traps things…..yet there are very few folks seem to have a go at making their own kit.Told you….cat among the pigeons
Toddy
It may seem that way Toddy. However, I'd be surprised if more bushcrafters were prepared to sew their own hammock, for example, than anglers who would be prepared to build up their own rod from a blank and furniture. Kit whoredom definitely exists in both doctrines and it is certainly possible to spend a vast amount of money on fishing gear, a Sage zero weight rod is four or five hundred quid... but that's no more 'fishing' than putting your name on the waiting list for a Ray Mears bushcraft knife is 'bushcraft' or buying a secondhand Bayley S4 is 'survival'.
The reality is most people use a budget rod and reel which they bought cheaply, made in China, for exactly the same reason that almost everyone on this forum has had some experience of a Mora. It's much more important to be out there doing it, than sitting at home wishing you were and, perhaps more importantly, they're both fit for purpose.
Synthetic fly lines or monofilament are the angling equivalent of bushcraft's paracord or dyneema. A beautifully handcrafted wading staff or priest might be the equivalent of a hand sewn leather knife sheath or a canvas tarp, for example, but chances are you won't see them on a bushcraft forum because they're not relevant to the majority of the clientele herein.
I've not fished much in the past few years, young children and a business startup don't lend themselves to lots of free time. However, this year is shaping up to be much more angling oriented so I'll be more than happy to add some content if you think it'll be appropriate.
me2
Get a grip fella, it was a joke. I don't really like the taste of trout or salmon, my dad was a plasterer and I am not a snob. Jeez!
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"there are very few folks seem to have a go at making their own (fishing) kit."
Yes, there are only a few books and forums dedicated to that - I make my own flies, spinners, rods, landing nets, fly lines, weights etc - have done since a teenager. It's fun, economical, and satisfying. Most of the rods & fly lines are remade out of broken ones - and of course you can fashion unique stuff - eg an ordinary float rod can cast a shooting head well for fly-fishing = use what you've got already or can purchase cheaply.
For a good read re salmon guddling or tickling try Neil Gunn's "Highland River".
Yes, there are only a few books and forums dedicated to that - I make my own flies, spinners, rods, landing nets, fly lines, weights etc - have done since a teenager. It's fun, economical, and satisfying. Most of the rods & fly lines are remade out of broken ones - and of course you can fashion unique stuff - eg an ordinary float rod can cast a shooting head well for fly-fishing = use what you've got already or can purchase cheaply.
For a good read re salmon guddling or tickling try Neil Gunn's "Highland River".
"A-Z Definitions of Fishing Terms | Britishseafishing.co.uk
britishseafishing.co.uk/features/a-z-definitions/
The list below explains and defines key terms used in sea fishing. ... describes itself as the voice of angling and represents all course, game and sea anglers."
= of COURSE it can be COURSE - ergo
britishseafishing.co.uk/features/a-z-definitions/
The list below explains and defines key terms used in sea fishing. ... describes itself as the voice of angling and represents all course, game and sea anglers."
= of COURSE it can be COURSE - ergo
If you can tie your own shoelaces, you're over-qualified to build your own flyrod.
Back in the day when graphite was coming fast and fiberglas was dying, I built up a 9' #9 Fenwick glas blank (2 piece) for windy west coast rivers.
The dang reel seat cost more than the blank! The simple act of casting took on a new flavor with that rod (and still does).
Back in the day when graphite was coming fast and fiberglas was dying, I built up a 9' #9 Fenwick glas blank (2 piece) for windy west coast rivers.
The dang reel seat cost more than the blank! The simple act of casting took on a new flavor with that rod (and still does).
Nice 1 Robson!
I learned this tip from an old-timer to make rod assembly even easier from blanks - Sellotape the rings on + varnish over - lasts & beats all that winding.
Corks for the handle aren't cheap now either - just drill out wine-bottle corks & sand to suit - while a cava cork makes a nice rounded butt-cork.
I learned this tip from an old-timer to make rod assembly even easier from blanks - Sellotape the rings on + varnish over - lasts & beats all that winding.
Corks for the handle aren't cheap now either - just drill out wine-bottle corks & sand to suit - while a cava cork makes a nice rounded butt-cork.
I've never heard so much crap in all my life !
Selotape and varnish ? Hahahaha !
Drill out and sand wine bottle corks ! .....what diameter is your handle ? ...... Hahahahaha !
Selotape and varnish ? Hahahaha !
Drill out and sand wine bottle corks ! .....what diameter is your handle ? ...... Hahahahaha !
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