Wild camping and metal detecting.
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Maybe I'm being slow today (just today I hear you say)
but I don't understand that one. Could you explain for me?Sent via smoke-signal from a woodland in Scotland.
Boatman's right on the helmet, and that's also probably why MD's often declare that their contribution is not recorded on the official report.
It comes down to two things.
One, the excavation report is just that. It's the report of what was researched, revealed, excavated, recorded and interpreted by those who worked the site.
That 'ought' to have at least a mention in the prior research of items that were reported as found on the site. However, that comes down to proof. A Roman helmet found above a Viking layer ? yeah, I'd doubt that. Not saying it couldn't be, after all the Vikings did trawl the world for treasure, good things, etc., but, I would really need to see secure context to believe it.
Secondly, it's back to secure context. Is there good, clear, recorded evidence that that particular helmet came out of that site in that particular context ?
It's not that we personally might not believe the finder, but we cannot prove it, and we cannot prove it with enough clear evidence that it can be given provenance.
I believe that's what Boatman's post was trying to say.
As for spiking the ground with ringpulls….how about those who salt the ground with cheap Roman coins and tesserae to get Archaeologist involved in an attempt to stop building works ?
Swings and roundabouts.
M
It comes down to two things.
One, the excavation report is just that. It's the report of what was researched, revealed, excavated, recorded and interpreted by those who worked the site.
That 'ought' to have at least a mention in the prior research of items that were reported as found on the site. However, that comes down to proof. A Roman helmet found above a Viking layer ? yeah, I'd doubt that. Not saying it couldn't be, after all the Vikings did trawl the world for treasure, good things, etc., but, I would really need to see secure context to believe it.
Secondly, it's back to secure context. Is there good, clear, recorded evidence that that particular helmet came out of that site in that particular context ?
It's not that we personally might not believe the finder, but we cannot prove it, and we cannot prove it with enough clear evidence that it can be given provenance.
I believe that's what Boatman's post was trying to say.
As for spiking the ground with ringpulls….how about those who salt the ground with cheap Roman coins and tesserae to get Archaeologist involved in an attempt to stop building works ?
Swings and roundabouts.
M
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I wonder what the reaction would have been had the post mentioned a desire to wild camp and do a spot of fishing. Only with a rod licence and local permission etc. You would also be expected to follow local rules on catch and release or no more then two for your tea etc. Most people on this forum would be telling you of legal requirements etc even though they might waste your leisure time.
Edit: actually weknow the answer from the reaction to the use of a hobo fishing set up as opposed to a conventional rod and line.
Edit: actually weknow the answer from the reaction to the use of a hobo fishing set up as opposed to a conventional rod and line.
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I was talking previously about how I'm happier finding scrap nuts and bolts... Just ignore meMaybe I'm being slow today (just today I hear you say)
Sent via smoke-signal from a woodland in Scotland.
Bushcraft Betty became just too smuttily near the knuckle for this forum. Biker's artwork is very good though, and his early BB jokes that were posted here were very funny. If you google bushcraft betty in google images you can find the one where she's head down in the skip.
It's very good I want her shoes
M
It's very good
I want her shoes M
I was talking previously about how I'm happier finding scrap nuts and bolts... Just ignore me
Sorry Mick it was just me being slow.
On the ringpulls I was chuffed the other year as a few of the old sort that came off the can whole got washed up to the side of the loch I was camping at. Spent a good half hour doing the frisbee pinger thing with them. Can't do that with the modern ones.
Plus used to know a chap who made fishing lures out of them.
Sent via smoke-signal from a woodland in Scotland.
Bushcraft Betty became just too smuttily near the knuckle for this forum. Biker's artwork is very good though, and his early BB jokes that were posted here were very funny. If you google bushcraft betty in google images you can find the one where she's head down in the skip.
It's very good
M
It's probably worth warning that this picture came up when I did that search - does anyone know how to scrub your retinas?
In fairness though I only did that the once
I see where you're coming from and as I've said, I agree on the context etc... in the case of the helmet, rightly or wrongly, the law didn't apply. Understand what you're saying about recording evidence, but it is what it is... the site can continue to be investigated, just minus a helmet that may or may not have come from there.
Reminds me of the ancient sword on Time Team... had a piece of barbed wire underneath it, proving that the sword was placed there by someone in recent memory... the archaeologists were livid!
In fairness though I only did that the once
I see where you're coming from and as I've said, I agree on the context etc... in the case of the helmet, rightly or wrongly, the law didn't apply. Understand what you're saying about recording evidence, but it is what it is... the site can continue to be investigated, just minus a helmet that may or may not have come from there.
Reminds me of the ancient sword on Time Team... had a piece of barbed wire underneath it, proving that the sword was placed there by someone in recent memory... the archaeologists were livid!
I just sat and watched it (youtube) - an interesting watch!
I found this facebook group
https://www.facebook.com/The-Ghosts...1074868343353/photos_stream?ref=page_internal
At first I found it fascinating, the stuff they are digging up is amazing, weapons and ammunition going from pistol rounds to artillery rounds and a lot, I mean a lot of personal items from the dead.
Then photo's of bodily remains including mounds of skulls...just not right. Looking further it looks to be a money maker, they clean up all sorts from weapons to helmets and sell them...left a bad taste in my mouth to be honest.
When I lived out on Cyprus in the eighties I was told that if you found something like a piece of pottery etc when digging, building a house, extending a house et al you had to stop all work and report the find to the university in Nicosia. Eventually someone would come down and decide if you could carry on working or whether it needed an investigation from the university which could take months; sadly the knock on effect was that many locals did not report their finds and carry on or if the find was 'good' they would sell on the black market.
https://www.facebook.com/The-Ghosts...1074868343353/photos_stream?ref=page_internal
At first I found it fascinating, the stuff they are digging up is amazing, weapons and ammunition going from pistol rounds to artillery rounds and a lot, I mean a lot of personal items from the dead.
Then photo's of bodily remains including mounds of skulls...just not right. Looking further it looks to be a money maker, they clean up all sorts from weapons to helmets and sell them...left a bad taste in my mouth to be honest.
When I lived out on Cyprus in the eighties I was told that if you found something like a piece of pottery etc when digging, building a house, extending a house et al you had to stop all work and report the find to the university in Nicosia. Eventually someone would come down and decide if you could carry on working or whether it needed an investigation from the university which could take months; sadly the knock on effect was that many locals did not report their finds and carry on or if the find was 'good' they would sell on the black market.
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