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Big Stu 12

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Short and sweet.. no thanks...

I like the way this forum does not have the lazy man way out..

I agree to have to write something, enhances the thread, and some times makes you think....

No thanks to the "USA Way"
 

santaman2000

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It has indeed been discussed several times (and I support the idea) Unfortunately, in the ensuing comments, the naysayers have always been the most voiciferous. It would seem obvious (to me at least) that the way to find out if it's a good idea or not would be to try it for a period of 6 months or so before deciding. After that, it could be deleted if it didn't work out.
 
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Goatboy

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It has indeed been discussed several times (and I support the idea) Unfortunately, in the ensuing comments, the naysayers have always been the most voiciferous. It would seem obvious (to me at least) that the way to find out if it's a good idea or not would be to try it for a period of 6 months or so before deciding. After that, it could be deleted if it didn't work out.
It has indeed been discussed, and that's the point of threads isn't it - to discuss and disseminate. It's not a popularity contest to see who can get the most likes. I've tried so many boards and this one by far surpasses the others as it isn't a list of names with "Like". Unless I have something to contribute why add my name to a list, we can easily say a few words to make it human and more real. It would be like sitting in a group of friends who only hold up a little placard to say Yay or Nay while one or two did all the chatting.
 

santaman2000

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It has indeed been discussed, and that's the point of threads isn't it - to discuss and disseminate. It's not a popularity contest to see who can get the most likes. I've tried so many boards and this one by far surpasses the others as it isn't a list of names with "Like". Unless I have something to contribute why add my name to a list, we can easily say a few words to make it human and more real. It would be like sitting in a group of friends who only hold up a little placard to say Yay or Nay while one or two did all the chatting.
Up to a point, yes. But often there's nothing really to add to what someone already said. In those cases you either simply do nothing, or say something as benign as "pus one" (which you then also have to add meaningless charecters to in order to make the post long enough to be accepted)

Often when reading a thread (particularly something like a kit review) it would be useful to simply know the number of people who agree with any particular statement.

In any case, I don't expect anything to come of this discussion. It'll be like the previous ones: shouted down despite of the fact that it keeps coming up.
 

Stew

Bushcrafter through and through
Nov 29, 2003
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Up to a point, yes. But often there's nothing really to add to what someone already said. In those cases you either simply do nothing, or say something as benign as "pus one" (which you then also have to add meaningless charecters to in order to make the post long enough to be accepted)

Often when reading a thread (particularly something like a kit review) it would be useful to simply know the number of people who agree with any particular statement.

In any case, I don't expect anything to come of this discussion. It'll be like the previous ones: shouted down despite of the fact that it keeps coming up.
Well surely if there are enough in favour of it then it will get shouted up more than it will be shouted down. ;)
 

santaman2000

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Well surely if there are enough in favour of it then it will get shouted up more than it will be shouted down. ;)
One would think so. But instead, what I've noticed that those who have proposed it before will likely not even bother to post again on this thread as they've simply given up.

To put a twist on your phraseology: Surely if there weren't enough in favor of it, it wouldn't keep resufacing so often?
 

Toddy

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Jan 21, 2005
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Well surely if there are enough in favour of it then it will get shouted up more than it will be shouted down. ;)
Well said :)

The fact that it's usually the same proponants pushing for the sooky up button kind of says a lot to many people.

Not everyone who frequents BcUK reads BcUSA; it's a very different site.....to quote the continentals, "Vive la difference!"
That's not a criticism, simply that there's no desire to emulate.

cheers,
Toddy
 

santaman2000

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Well said :)

The fact that it's usually the same proponants pushing for the sooky up button kind of says a lot to many people.

Not everyone who frequents BcUK reads BcUSA; it's a very different site.....to quote the continentals, "Vive la difference!"
That's not a criticism, simply that there's no desire to emulate.

cheers,
Toddy
Fair enough. But there's a vast difference between "emulating" and borrowing the good ideas. No offense meant Mary, but you're usually (almost always) one of the naysayers, not just of this idea but of any change in general.

And to be honest, it's usually a different proponent proposing the idea (one who's obviously never seen the previous threads) whereas it's usually the same opponents being voiciferous. Previous proponents have simply given up hope.
 
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Toddy

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Really ? I'll consider that :)

Generally I'm of the opinion that no one site suits everyone all the time. It'd be incredibly boring if there were only one place and everyone had to comply....but the pleasure in a good site is that a range of people, all with different viewpoints and experiences, bring such a wide commentary into the conversations.

That's a strength.
To dilute that to a set of tick boxes would be a retrograde step and not really what BcUK was set up to do.
The site was set up to be a connection point for people. The Boss wanted somewhere to put up photos he'd taken of people whom he'd met and liked on a course, but had no contact details for them.
The site simply grew like Topsy :D

By it's very nature it's a conversational place; not a competitive (well, chosen topics and deliberate challenges aside :) ) place, not a demanding, angry, sing from the same songsheet type of place.
The threads are incredibly varied, and they ramble along peacefully in the main. Out of hundreds of active threads the average is less than 1% that need any kind of Mod or Admin input.
That's actually an incredible compliment to the members :approve:
We do dispute, we do argue, but we still converse with each other, still welcome each other into our camps, and threads.

Does that make me resistant to change ? No, but I am resistant to an idea that would discourage the very positive input of many people because there's a lazy option.

On a slightly more serious note; from the point of view of a nasty tasting episode in the site's history that only long term members will now recall; we had a rep system that was rather like that LIKE button thingie, and it was abused by a very small and pathetically egotistical coterie of numpties who bummed each other up like they were the second coming.
Let's not go there again; it took a very long time for that to settle, and we still get occasional digs on other sites about our clear out of the perpetrators.

If you've read a thread or a post and you like it, wish to disagree with it, appreciate it or take umbrage at it, in this day and age of broadband and internet access phones, just type in a few words.
It's no' rocket science :)

M
 

Stew

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One would think so. But instead, what I've noticed that those who have proposed it before will likely not even bother to post again on this thread as they've simply given up.

To put a twist on your phraseology: Surely if there weren't enough in favor of it, it wouldn't keep resufacing so often?
I hear what you are saying.

However.....

What sort of numbers of people do you see in favour that keep asking and how many are saying no thanks? Just because 'some' people (i have no figures) keep posting a thread doesn't mean there's enough in favour of it. If a majority are saying no then why change it?

Also, how do you know that other people have given up? Have they told you or have you assumed? :) How do you know that they haven't changed their mind once other people have sold the idea of not having the like button?
 

Goatboy

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Maybe the proponents of the like button are to lazy to post in it's favour, whereas we discussion lovers are prepared to write about it?:) I'm being light hearted about it as it's a board and opinions are important, but we shouldn't take it personally. The world seems to be loosing it's ability to debate. And lack of debate would be a sad thing. My feeling is that unless you're prepared to affect change through discussion or lobbying the likes of the MODS and Tony with maybe a vote after the salient points have been wrangled then why not just use the site you prefer, either with or sans "like" buttons.

I've voted with a lack of presence on boards that are just a series of LIKEs rather than an informative engaging discussion.
 

Toddy

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Jan 21, 2005
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I'm curious now .....what does an 'irony font' look like ?
I like that cheeky wee ;) smilie, but BR thought it was snide :sigh: so I try not to use it when writing to him on here.

On a side note, does anyone else find themselves handwriting a letter and trying to put in emoticons ? :eek:

M
 

santaman2000

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Jan 15, 2011
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I hear what you are saying.

However.....

What sort of numbers of people do you see in favour that keep asking and how many are saying no thanks? Just because 'some' people (i have no figures) keep posting a thread doesn't mean there's enough in favour of it. If a majority are saying no then why change it?

Also, how do you know that other people have given up? Have they told you or have you assumed? :) How do you know that they haven't changed their mind once other people have sold the idea of not having the like button?
Like yourself, I only have anecdotal personal observations. The best example I can remember is the thread Wayland posted (a couple of years ago) suggesting it. On that thread there was an almost even spilit on the comments as best I remember.

A simple way to actually gauge the interest was suggested; simply put up a poll, but none was ever posted.
 

Goatboy

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I'm curious now .....what does an 'irony font' look like ?
I like that cheeky wee ;) smilie, but BR thought it was snide :sigh: so I try not to use it when writing to him on here.

On a side note, does anyone else find themselves handwriting a letter and trying to put in emoticons ? :eek:

M
You'd be hard pressed to find one, though you could read this.... LIKE...sorry meant LINK:rolleyes: