Rich Hall and American Indians

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Tengu

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They were busy folk.

But dont you think the people we should feel concern over in the US today are those who pray in a certain, defined direction?
 

Leshy

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Joonsy thanks for the video link ...
Joonsy has hit the nail on the head and I totally agree with his sentiment.

Obviously , only generally speaking though as different tribes and different individuals have different agendas and morals .
But nowhere has the "white man" deceived and betrayed a people's like they did with the first nations.

No wonder the Native American description of the white man's language is that of a "forked tongue", as one thing was promised and other delivered.
Unfortunately still going on today , taking down and backing down treaty after treaty...
It's a disgrace.
Dakota access pipe line , standing rock , Amazon basin and Pantanal in Brazil.
Terra del fuego amongst many others ...

The bottom line is very much explained in the newspaper clipping that I posted here earlier...

Corporate greed is like rust ...
It never sleeps .





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Joonsy

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Joonsy thanks for the video link ...
Joonsy has hit the nail on the head and I totally agree with his sentiment.

Obviously , only generally speaking though as different tribes and different individuals have different agendas and morals .
But nowhere has the "white man" deceived and betrayed a people's like they did with the first nations.

No wonder the Native American description of the white man's language is that of a "forked tongue", as one thing was promised and other delivered.
Unfortunately still going on today , taking down and backing down treaty after treaty...
It's a disgrace.
Dakota access pipe line , standing rock , Amazon basin and Pantanal in Brazil.
Terra del fuego amongst many others ...

The bottom line is very much explained in the newspaper clipping that I posted here earlier...

Corporate greed is like rust ...
It never sleeps .

thanks for that Leshy, ATB :)

over 500 treaties made between the governmemt and native americans, over 500 treaties broken, nullified or amended.
 

Leshy

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thanks for that Leshy, ATB :)

over 500 treaties made between the governmemt and native americans, over 500 treaties broken, nullified or amended.
No worries Joonsy , I feel the same mate.
Greed is the cancer of the planet.

For anyone that doesn't understand the Native American pain, I recommend a book called :

"Bury my heart at Wounded Knee " -
by Dee Brown
 

C_Claycomb

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Tengu,
Not sure what you are getting at in your last post, it seems ambiguous and non-sequitur, which may be just as well for you. Someone could be forgiven for thinking you were straying into forbidden waters (on this forum anyway) by bringing up a religion and implying it is a cause for concern. Or you could be suggesting that a relatively small group is in danger of being oppressed by the government that has just come into power. Either way, not something for discussion on BCUK. Thank you.
 
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But, then there never was a happy clappy life before the arrivals, was it the Arrawaks or the Caribs that were cannibals? Has anyone read how Pawnee prisoners were treated by Lakota Sioux?

Are you implying that you - the anglos - live the 'happy clappy' life. Your wars kills, thousands and thousands of people. Mostly people who've done you no personal harm.

Anyhows there were no Sioux ever this far north, nor Pawnees.

For many native american indians there has been no 'happy clappy' life since the anglos arrived either!
 
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They feared that photographers would steal their souls to put it on paper ... , despite many of their fellows having had them taken and nothing bad happening , they still took appropriate measures to defend themselves from the evil cameras...��

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When you use the word, they, who do you mean? All 1st Nations? Some? Or just the tribes you read about?

;-)

Joe.
 

Wander

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I must say that I find the patronisation of indigenous cultures extremely aggravating.
Even worse is the short-sighted assumption is that 'west' is bad.
Both, allied, positions are just plain daft and ignorant (in the sense of ill-informed).
Yes, indigenous cultures got some some things 'right'. But they could be just as destructive and wasteful as anyone else.
Yes, western industrialisation has got some things 'wrong'. But they have also got a lot of things 'right'.

Give it a rest.

Humans are marvellous, creative, wonderful things. They are also, unfortunately, capable of cruelty, wickedness, and selfishness. There is not ONE culture on this earth, whether still in existence or long since gone, that has not shown the full gamut of human vices and virtues. We are all the same. Only the details are different, and that's no difference at all. Let's be more sophisticated in our view. Let's not patronise and condescend.
 

Leshy

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When you use the word, they, who do you mean? All 1st Nations? Some? Or just the tribes you read about?

;-)

Joe.
Tanisi Joe !✋

Thank you for taking the time to reply.
No offense was meant by it.

I guess only some of the tribes and maybe even, just some of the individuals of some of the tribes...

Like I said , some of the individuals covered their faces for fear of having their soul stolen , even though some of their fellow tribesmen had pictures taken with no consequence at all.


I know politics are not allowed on this forum , and so I'm trying to be careful on how I word this...
More of an environmental issue than a political one to be honest...

But am I right in thinking you live in or near some of the areas being affected by the XL pipeline ?
Tar sands and the pipeline seems to be of great grievance and huge impact on the local people and ecosystem.

How has that affected you personally and/or the area of which you track and hunt?
Has there been displacement of people as a result?

Tānsi kitihtēn?


ni mēwēyihtēn ēh-wāpimitān

Best regards
 

Toddy

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I think of the Native Americans as individual nations the same way that the UK is four nations and at least eight different adjacent island cultures; and none of us like being labelled with the wrong one !

M
 

boatman

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Are you implying that you - the anglos - live the 'happy clappy' life. Your wars kills, thousands and thousands of people. Mostly people who've done you no personal harm.

Anyhows there were no Sioux ever this far north, nor Pawnees.

For many native american indians there has been no 'happy clappy' life since the anglos arrived either!

Of course no society has been happy clappy. Is the word Anglo PC enough for use today? Only one group from one country has been horrid to Native American Indians?
 

C_Claycomb

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+1 Wander. I tried to write something like that, but could not phrase it how I wanted. You hit the nail on the head.


Dang. too slow typing....

Tengu,
If you wish to discuss further, drop me a PM.

Corso,
Perhaps, perhaps not. Depends on how the discussion goes. So far, this thread has followed a line which has not been considered political. No doubt though, there are some sensitive subjects on the table and more attention is being paid to the words people use and how those words can be read than is paid when we talk about crafts or skills.



Everyone else,
Are we all gaining useful insights or learning things from this thread, or are we all just circling around before having a bun fight?

I was going to say "If the thread is to stay open, please take that bit more care than usual when posting." but it seems that while I was pecking out that reply, you were all doing it already :D
 
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Adze

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We're all just highly complicated monkeys at the end of the day, some more complicated than others.

A great Walt Kelly quote: "Don't take life so serious son, it ain't nohow permanent!"
 

sasquatch

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As for the OP, First Nations is used in Canada, American Indians or Native Americans is used in America. It's not too tricky.
 

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