My new damascas bushy by mick1991.

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HillBill

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Fair play mate!. You can tell damasteel a mile away..... nothing comes close. They do one in RWL 34 too.... karesuando make a decent legit knife!


Cheers Mark. Bit of alright innit mate? Shiny......

Sure thing. Its damasteel rose, [suits a yorkshireman then.]

Its a Karesuando knife, all swedish materials....DAMASTEEL PATTERNS

Someone told me it takes them two days or thereabouts to make it with their mechanical hammers.



DAMASTEEL® is the best performing stainless Damascus patterned steel in the world using the latest gas-atomized PM technology with very high cleanliness.
Damasteel® is a product of the mill that was established 1676 in Söderfors.
Beaver damascus Rose [3501R]
Brand New.
3mm thick spine.
 
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chris123

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Don't think we'll be hearing from Mick. Still making out its Damasteel :) beware of future purchases people.

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Stew

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I think it's clear looking at all three of those knives together that there is some lying going on. One misremembered detail I could understand but the detail given of processes, I doubt it.
 

Leshy

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Don't think we'll be hearing from Mick. Still making out its Damasteel :) beware of future purchases people.

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Have you PM'd him since this thread Chris? Is he refusing to take part or just no reply yet?
 

chris123

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Oct 18, 2016
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He refunded me very quickly. Still makes out it was from Damasteel. He even offered to produce invoices to prove authenticity. When I asked to see them he got defensive and went quiet. Don't think there is any doubt.

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Leshy

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OK , so I've been waiting to chime in as I thought Mick would do the same and defend his work , but it seems this isn't going to happen.
I'm disappointed as I really rated his work and appreciated his reasonable price tag for us that can't afford the very best.
As seen on this thread , over on Natural Bushcraft UK forum , his knife was given to me as a result of a knife naming competition...
https://www.naturalbushcraft.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=9823

As I was so grateful , I couldn't just not pay the man for his efforts, so I slipped him £30 through PayPal , just to pay for his postage and get him a few pints as a token of my appreciation.

A good few weeks ago I stupidly dropped it on a concrete floor and got a "ding" on the edge .
No real problem as it was still scary sharp , but it annoyed the hell out of me and my slightly OCD for all things sharp.
Being a carpenter I'm obsessed with keeping my tools as sharp and true as humanly possible.
So I got my diamond stones out to get the ding out and then the Japanese water stones to get the scratches out and the mirror polish that I obssess with...😊

So after quite a few hours of work and a lot of swearing 😁, I managed to get the ding out!
I thought this was the hardest steel I ever worked with ... As it was really hard to get the bleeding thing straight again.

I got it spot on again and ready for last weeks outing , overnight in the woods.

The sheath I bought for it (just a cheap one off the evilbay) has a brass or similar button popper to secure the Knife in , so after using it a few times I realised the blade was "dinged" again!!!😵

So in the back of my mind , I was thinking " what a load of bull excrement, this RWL34 steel is!" I mean surely it should be harder than a "soft" button popper, but also thought that maybe I ruined the temper by getting the ding out with the diamond stones?!
I kept it cool and used water to avoid the blueing of the blade, but thought maybe I wrecked it somehow?

Well , now reading this thread , I looked at HH and must admit the similarities between my blade and the £10.95 blank sold on there are uncanny.
I'm starting to come to terms with the fact that it's obviously a cheap steel and soft as a length of boiled spaghetti...😒

All those weeks ago Mick did offer to reprofile the knife and get it back to what it was , but now I'm having second thoughts about that.

So...

Is there a way to re-harden the steel again? Considering it has got the scales on , I'd imagine a high temperature oven treatment would probably crack the Yew ,but then again I maybe wrong...
Any help would be very appreciated!




In the meantime , I'll keep using my Mora and stop fretting about the dings on the buzzard...

I also PM 'd him just yesterday to question and make him aware of this thread but have not received a reply .

What a shame it is, as he seemed like a genuine bloke just doing these tools for folk that can't afford the big price tags on quality knives , and it seemed he did it for the love! 😒

As a chippie I've always heard ,"if you buy cheap , you buy twice!" But Mora disproves this theory. Shame that same can't be said for Mick's work.
It's disappointing indeed.

So even though I haven't paid top dollar for the buzzard , I still feel a bit cheated and can only hope that Mick comes out and clarifies these concerns and "allegations".
Hopefully he will as he was always a pleasure to communicate with and very helpful indeed.

Come on Dr. Mick ! Come out and explain ? 👍😁
 
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HillBill

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You won't have over heated the steel on diamond stones. Pretty much impossible when doing things like that by hand.

No way to re harden either, not with a handle on... stainless needs about 1000ºc minimum to harden, plus, with not knowing what steel it is also.............
 

Leshy

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You won't have over heated the steel on diamond stones. Pretty much impossible when doing things like that by hand.

No way to re harden either, not with a handle on... stainless needs about 1000ºc minimum to harden, plus, with not knowing what steel it is also.............
Hmmm... Thanks HillBill.
So I guess it's a dud now... No point in taking the handle off and pins considering how much work that involves.
I know you can carbonise wood at relatively high temperatures , rendering it hard as steel and making it stronger but it's too much hassle.
Is there a knife cemetery or similar way to dispose of things like this? as it's no good as a tool anymore ...
What a waste of time and materials...
Or is there anything else I can do with this?
 

mick91

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Anyone who has had issues with knives is entitled to a full refund by sending a PM. As for proving provenance if knives I can send on invoices for original steel orders if I still have them

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chris123

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Oct 18, 2016
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If I still have them? As long as you didn't pay by cash I'm sure there will be lots of ways to trace a purchase from Damasteel.

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chris123

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You say that like its a bad thing! :rolleyes:

The knife you bought may or may not have been made from stilton of dubious provenance but wootz steel (the traditional raw material of damascus/damask blades) came from the Indian subcontinent and generations of European blacksmiths would have sold their souls to know the secret! :)

http://archaeology.about.com/od/ancientweapons/a/damascus_steel.htm

Thanks for the link :) I've learnt so much about steel, it's origins and forms in the past few days. I was referring to the modern Steel industry, which may be the source of the blank. If so we have no knowledge of the quality.
Love a bit of Stilton :) HNY
You say that like its a bad thing! :rolleyes:

The knife you bought may or may not have been made from stilton of dubious provenance but wootz steel (the traditional raw material of damascus/damask blades) came from the Indian subcontinent and generations of European blacksmiths would have sold their souls to know the secret! :)

http://archaeology.about.com/od/ancientweapons/a/damascus_steel.htm


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chris123

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Anyone who has had issues with knives is entitled to a full refund by sending a PM. As for proving provenance if knives I can send on invoices for original steel orders if I still have them

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New Year New Morals.

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Leshy

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Anyone who has had issues with knives is entitled to a full refund by sending a PM. As for proving provenance if knives I can send on invoices for original steel orders if I still have them

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Good on you for coming out and offering refunds Mick! 👍


New year , new beginnings .
 

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