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Topcat02

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A British couple died of hypothermia after getting lost in a snowstorm on a Spanish mountain.

Robert Rippengal, 39 was found dead in the arms of his critically-ill girlfriend Kate Stokes in the Picos de Europa range in Cantabria.

Kate, 35, died in hospital. The experienced climbers, from Cambridge, were both properly equipped.

Really sad report, but surely two experienced climbers, with the correct gear should have survived. Wasnt it just the other week, we discussed the walker who fell down the same mountains, broke his pelvis, and still survived for a week.
 

gregorach

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Impossible to say without knowing a great deal more about the precise circumstances... But no matter how experienced some is, we all make mistakes -- it's just that mistakes are more likely to be deadly in the mountains. That's why a suprising number of very experienced climbers die by accidentally rappelling off the end of their ropes.
 

gregorach

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Just be careful, full stop. It's the familiar areas which are the real danger in many ways - which is why rappelling kills so many. You've done it a million times, what could possibly go wrong... aaarrgghh... splat!
 

charley beale

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Jan 19, 2006
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gregorach said:
Just be careful, full stop. It's the familiar areas which are the real danger in many ways - which is why rappelling kills so many. You've done it a million times, what could possibly go wrong... aaarrgghh... splat!

Am sorry to show my ignorance, but pls could you explain to me what rappelling is? Thank you v much! :)
 

gregorach

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Descending a rope in a controlled manner using a brake of some sort. Aslo know as abseiling. :)
 

Salix

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As a countryside professional it never ceases to amaze me how people are so unprepared for the outdoors. One of the greatest topics of English chit chat is the "weather". We all know what to expect in England, even in mid July! but on so many occassions i have had to bail out unwary walkers, ill equipped and totally lacking in the skills needed to get by in the open country. But as said above, even the most experienced can be unlucky, so we shouldn't be blaze', even for a quite walk in the countryside, even your local park. On a lot of occassions i think it's down to peoples life skills or experience of living out of the box that counts, it's an old story but we are all just becoming too civilised :(
 

Grooveski

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Forgetting that you've doubled up a rope(so it's only half as long) is one of those daft fatal mistakes that crops up every now and then, but getting lost in a snowstorm.....?

NOT getting lost in a snowstorm is quite a trick. OK, many of the folk here are probably fine in a whiteout but I remember my first, and It wasn't what I was expecting, and I'll admit I was lost for a while.
Can't say I've enjoyed any of the other times either, even if they did go ok and I did have the gear to hunker down and ride it out if I preferred.

[Edit: I'd even go as far as saying it's a phobia that I have to consiously suppress. I don't have many but whiteouts freak me out, I don't feel prepared for them even if I am]
 

Grooveski

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I probably fit into the class of folk who could easily become hypothermic through simply spending too long trying to get off-the-hill, instead of being able to settle down straight away, so I can see how it can happen.

Loved ice climbing for a couple of years when a pal roped me into it. Whiteouts put paid to it. Don't think I'd like sandstorms either.
 

pierre girard

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gregorach said:
Impossible to say without knowing a great deal more about the precise circumstances... But no matter how experienced some is, we all make mistakes -- it's just that mistakes are more likely to be deadly in the mountains. That's why a suprising number of very experienced climbers die by accidentally rappelling off the end of their ropes.

When you're dealing with nature - it doesn't even have to be a mistake.

Saw a pretty interesting show dealing with Scott (the one who died at the North Pole). I believe it concerned research done by an Englishwoman. According to the research, if Scott had done his North Pole trek almost any other year - he would have made it back handily. Sometimes nature throws you a curve.

PG
 

Tor helge

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pierre girard said:
When you're dealing with nature - it doesn't even have to be a mistake.

Saw a pretty interesting show dealing with Scott (the one who died at the North Pole). I believe it concerned research done by an Englishwoman. According to the research, if Scott had done his North Pole trek almost any other year - he would have made it back handily. Sometimes nature throws you a curve.

PG

Sounds like you better stay away from the poles if your name is Scott :) .
Sorry couldn`t resist.

Tor
 

Topcat02

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Answered my own question!



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Captain Scott - Antarctic explorer

Captain Scott on his last trip to the Antarctic, 13 April 1911
Repro ID P39560
© NMM London
Until the end of the 19th century, only sealers and whalers had set foot on the desolate southern land we call Antarctica. Until as late as 1820, no one had even seen its mainland. In the 1890s however, explorers of various countries began to compete for being the first to reach both the North and the South Poles. In 1901–04 Captain Robert Falcon Scott (1868–1912) was the first person to explore Antarctica extensively by land.

What is Antarctica?
Antarctica is an enormous continent. Britain could fit into it more than 50 times. More than 99% of it is covered by ice. In places, this ice is more than three miles thick. Antarctica is completely surrounded by the vast Southern Ocean, half of which freezes in winter. It is high, windy and extremely cold. There is no indigenous human population and no life forms at all except around the coast.

How did the Antarctic get its name?
More than 2000 years ago, Greek writers described a large mass of land in the south of the world. Even though they had never seen it, they believed it must exist so that it could 'balance' the land they knew about in the northern half of the world. They named this imagined land 'Anti-Arkitos', meaning the 'opposite of the Arctic'.

Did explorers before Captain Scott try to reach the Antarctic?
Yes. For instance, one aim of Captain Cook on his second Pacific voyage of 1772–74, was to find the great southern continent. He sailed all round Antarctica but ice and fog prevented him from getting far enough south to see it. Cook decided that people would probably never travel further south than latitude 71 degrees, the position he reached. This was still more than 1000 miles from the Pole.

Who was Captain Scott?

Captain Robert Falcon Scott
Repro ID PX6631
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Robert Falcon Scott was an officer in the Royal Navy, who had joined his first ship when he was thirteen. He was born in Devon and came from seafaring family, though his father ran a brewery. He married a sculptor named Kathleen Bruce in 1908, and they had one son, Peter (who became a famous naturalist, was knighted, and died in 1982).

How many times did Scott travel to the Antarctic?
Scott led two expeditions. His first expedition, in the ship Discovery, took place between 1901–04 and was half funded by the Government. Discovery was specially built for the voyage, as a research ship to go through icy seas.

In 1910, he sailed on another scientific voyage, this time in the Terra Nova, originally a whaler. This second expedition had less government support and many schools made collections for the expedition. Children were particularly interested in raising money for dogs and ponies.

What were the Antarctic expeditions hoping to achieve?
The idea was to explore the part of Antarctica around the Ross Sea, discovered in 1841 by Sir James Clark Ross. They also wanted to find out more about the animals, weather and geology of the Antarctic. Dr Edward Wilson, the zoologist on both Scott's expeditions, collected embryos of Emperor penguins so that he could study the birds more closely.

How did the explorers travel about once they had set up camp in the Antarctic?
On the first trip, Scott and his party anchored Discovery in McMurdo Sound, Ross Island where they built a hut. During the winter (our summer) they conducted magnetic, astronomical and meteorological observations. In June the sun cannot be seen from within the Antarctic Circle and it is dark 24-hours a day. In the spring (September), the weather improved and Scott, Dr Wilson and Ernest Shackleton set off south across the Ross Sea Ice Shelf towards the Pole. They had some sledge-dogs but did not really know how to use them, so largely pulled the sledges themselves. Scott travelled slightly further than 82 degrees south, much further than anyone before but it was a terrible journey.

What sort of problems did Scott's party encounter?

Captain Scott, Simpson, Bowers and Evans leaving for West Mountains, 15 September 1911
Repro ID E0878
© NMM London

All their dogs died and the men became exhausted pulling the sledges. They also had health problems caused by poor nutrition and especially lack of vitamin C, which led to scurvy. This deficiency disease was well-known but its cause was not then understood: it would have been prevented if they had eaten more fresh seal and penguin meat – or their dogs. The men also struggled against frostbite and snow blindness. All these made them turn back.

What did the explorers sleep in?
They slept in sleeping bags made from reindeer fur. These are warm so long as they are dry. However, Scott's became wet partly through condensation and because the floors of the tents were not snow-tight. The bags were at best wet and cold with men in them, or frozen.

Was Britain the only country trying to reach the South Pole?
No. Several expeditions from Norway, France and Germany explored Antarctica. While Scott was sailing south on his second expedition, he heard the news that the Norwegian, Roald Amundsen (1872–1928), was going to Antarctica and was likely to try to reach the South Pole first. Although Amundsen was an experienced Arctic explorer, Scott was determined to get there first. He laid food depots to the south early in 1911, and set out towards the Pole on 1 November during the second summer there.

What happened on the second expedition?
Scott planned to reach the Pole from Ross Island, using ponies and three motorised sledges, with a few dogs in support, then by man-hauling his sledges. The motorised sledges failed. The ponies suffered and were put down for food (which was expected) and the dogs went back to base camp halfway with most of the men. This left Scott and just four companions to pull.

Did they reach the Pole?
Yes, they got there on 17–18 January 1912.

Were they delighted to have reached their goal?
No, because when they arrived they found that Amundsen and his four Norwegian companions had got there before them. Scott's men had been beaten and, along with all the hardships of the return journey, their morale was badly affected.

Had the two parties approached the Pole using different methods?
Yes. Amundsen made his base and set off from the 'Bay of Whales', on the ice-shelf itself. This was about 100 km nearer to the Pole than Scott on Ross Island. The Norwegians were experienced skiers and dog-drivers, who moved very fast using 52 dogs, in teams, to pull their sledges of food and essential equipment. Amundsen also laid more depots in advance, and further south than Scott, and small ones as he went. As his sledges became lighter he killed dogs to feed the others (and his men). The British pulled the sledges themselves. Scott, who knew little about the proper use of skis or dogs, believed this was more noble. While the Norwegians only aim was to reach the Pole first, Scott also made scientific observations and collected rock samples on the way.

How far did they need to travel back to reach safety?
Scott and his party needed to return across the 800 miles they had already covered. They had to be back before the middle of April, before the Antarctic winter brought deadly freezing temperatures and constant darkness.

What happened to them?
They had a disastrous time. Terrible weather included blizzards and gale force winds. They had only limited and poor food, and shortage of fuel. Eventually, they all died. Evans died first, probably after knocking his head during a fall into a crevasse. Oates knew he was suffering from severe frostbite in his feet, could not go on, and did not want to slow the others down. On 17 March 1912, he left the tent during a blizzard. His final words,written down by Scott, were: 'I am just going outside, and I may be some time'. He was never seen again. The other three died in their tent during a blizzard at the end of March. They were only 11 miles from the next food and fuel depot.

How do we know about what happened to Scott?
A search party was sent out from McMurdo Sound after the end of the Antarctic winter of 1912. It found the bodies of Scott, Dr Wilson and 'Birdie' Bowers on 12 November. They were in their sleeping bags inside a tent covered with snow. Their journals and papers were recovered but the bodies were left, wrapped in the tent and buried under a snow cairn. News of the tragedy only reached Britain in February 1913. A huge memorial service, led by the King, was held in St Pauls Cathedral soon afterwards.
 

Lifthasir

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Jan 30, 2006
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Pierre, interesting info re. Scott.

It has been popular in the UK in recent years to discredit Scott. The criticism has
been savage. Alas, every hero has had similar treatment. Most people now
think of him as an upper class twit who sacrificed lives for his vanity. Shackelton
called him a 'chancer'. I guess it is subjective and depends ultimately whether
the gamble pays off or not. It could also be said that Shackelton was a chancer
as he went against the advice of the Norwegian whalers on South Georgia who
advised him that the ice pack was exceptionally large that year and he'd be best to wait
until the following season. We all know what happened next. Arguably the
greatest tale of human endurance and survival. All the more ironic that when the
survivors returned home, they were sent to the trenches in WW1 where most of
them were subesquently killed. A tale superbly told in Alred Lansing's 'Endurance'.

Sir Ranulph Fiennes recently wrote a biography of Scott which has evened things up a bit.

But you're right...sometimes nature bowls a googly (cricket term!)...and there's
not much you can do except hope and pray. Certainly, no one can doubt
Scott's tenacity. He and his small party were made of sterner stuff than nowadays.
 

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