Dull vs Sharp Spectrum

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TeeDee

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Not a question I NEED to be answered but I wondered if there was a correct answer as it exists in the legal realm.

I've noticed a few items on UK websites that are the DULL training version of the full restricted SHARP item.

It seems its allowed to sell the dull training blade but not the full live blade.

So question for the legal eagles and knifey-knifey-sharp-&-pointy brigade -

WHEN DOES DULL BECOME SHARP AND HOW IS IT MEASURED?
 

TeeDee

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What sort of item are we talking about here? Just for context.

Not that I was looking specifically for this item, I just came across it and thought of how the Law would define 'dull' vs 'sharp' in a court of Law?

 

TeeDee

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Looks suspiciously like a buckle blade. Not sure what kind of training is required to use it.

Ok, regardless of what its possible application is , how would the line between what is a LIVE blade and a TRAINER blade actually be determined?

I know i'm splitting hairs and trawling through the minutiae but its raining outside and I'm not feeling outsidey today. #cold
 

JonathanD

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Not sure at all about this. It seems to be a grey area not defined in law. I think a blunt edge in LARP has to be 3mm wide to qualify for battle. But again, not at all sure about the legality of it.
 
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Broch

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I think the advert is just an attempt to get by the legality of selling a hidden/disguised blade - I suspect they may fail if it's picked up. The fact it's disguised may count more in a court of law than whether it's sharp or not - you could still take someone's eye out with it.

The UK law refers to the length of a 'cutting edge' IIRC, so perhaps the question should be 'cutting what?' - butter, cheese, flesh, wood?

Unfortunately 'sharp' has a legal meaning totally disconnected with cutting edges :)
 

TeeDee

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I think the advert is just an attempt to get by the legality of selling a hidden/disguised blade - I suspect they may fail if it's picked up. The fact it's disguised may count more in a court of law than whether it's sharp or not - you could still take someone's eye out with it.

The UK law refers to the length of a 'cutting edge' IIRC, so perhaps the question should be 'cutting what?' - butter, cheese, flesh, wood?

Unfortunately 'sharp' has a legal meaning totally disconnected with cutting edges :)
To be fair there is a trend now for Training and Live blades - I've never seen it with regards to a paracord bracelet. Which I can't imagine anyone seriously training with in a Martial application.

I have live and trainer knives but I just wondered upon the legality.
 

Laurentius

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If you have been following the Black Belt Barrister, dullness is not a defence as the courts don't want to be bogged down arguing the technicalities of how to define sharp.
 
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Kadushu

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That paraclaw looks dodgy AF. It's like selling a firearm with the firing pin removed and calling it a trainer.
 

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