The chat room says its been taken offline by the admin.. is this something to do with the outages or will it be put back online soon?
Chat room offline..
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(i don't see any point in starting a new thread for this..) but.. that chat room has obviously been taken offline due to it being abused by some members.. i just wanted to ask is it offline indefinitely or is it just a temporary thing...?
That really is a shame...
As Tony said it was on a condition of trust and it is very dissapointing that some people abused that.
As Tony said it was on a condition of trust and it is very dissapointing that some people abused that.
hootchi said:That really is a shame...
As Tony said it was on a condition of trust and it is very dissapointing that some people abused that.
Disappointing only begins to describe it when you read the logs.
Young Bushman has been banned from here and BritishBlades as a result of an attempted smear campaign on BB, that was organised and coordinated through the BB & BcUK chatrooms.
For some reason that escapes me, Young Bushman decided to launch an unprovoked attack on myself. He used an alias account on BB (ScottC87) to post some rather nasty comments...
I dont know what makes a 14 year old post things like this, but it struck me that it was unlikely to be entirely of his own mind. It was also apparent that the BcUk chatroom was being used for something other than bushcraft and friendly chat. I discussed this with the mods and admins here, they agreed there was a problem and we decided to examine the chatroom history.
Now let me be clear about this (this goes for both BB and BcUK).
PM's = Private.
Forums = Public.
Chatroom = Public.
Now I'm labouring the point because it seems apparent, that this little nugget hasn't sunk in...
WHEN YOU MAKE A COMMENT IN THE CHATROOM, YOU ARE MAKING A PUBLIC STATEMENT THAT IS RECORDED AND STORED IN THE DATABASE FOREVER AND CAN BE RE-READ AT ANY TIME!
You are liable for what your write in a chatroom, just as much as on a forum, or even a newspaper for that matter. Courts can request of a website owner, full transcripts of chatroom logs to be presented in the event of a dispute, libel, slander, or defamation suit.
This public nature of the chatroom has been made abundantly clear on many occasions, as well as the fact the chatroom will be moderated. Yet I was stunned at what I read. The nasty and hateful messages being banded about, not just regarding myself, but also Tony, Kath, Adi and others. It was very clear that this was far more than just a mouthy juvenile. Browsing the chatroom history shows that he was really not much more than a foolish and gullible pawn. However, he was the one foolish enough to take this as far as he did and make defamatory comments in public. Just 14 or not, he consciously made deliberately poisonous comments, designed specifically to offend and hurt. If you're old enough to write it, you're old enough to be banned for it! However, and against the better judgment of many, he was given an opportunity to apologise - he declined.
The others involved were a little more shrewd and kept the nastiness in the chatroom. For that, they shall remain nameless, but they know who they are and they should be ashamed of themselves.
Here's a couple of comments from Young Bushman for illustration...
This is not what our websites are about. Have we strayed so far off track that this is what we have been reduced to? The admins and moderators have put 100's, even 1000's of hours into our websites and this... simply stinks. We regularly work into the small hours, trying to build sites that are fun, enjoyable and informative, for nothing more than the love of it. The small cash returns, barely cover the electricity, let alone the numerous bills that need to be covered. We dont ask for anything, ...but hate campaigns, poisonous hateful messages - not just about me, but others, Kath, Adi, Tony and the mods....
What gives? It'd be easy for me or Tony to just agree to everything and anything, but the forums would turn to chaos in days. Our communities need people prepared to shoulder the agro and stand in the way of the crap. This demands we need to be hard-nosed on occasions. We dont expect thanks, but "hate campaigns"?
I dont know about Adi, Kath and Tony, but this makes me sick to my stomach. I feel like I want to jack the lot in.
I'm sorry, but shameful is the only way to describe this....
Have you stopped to think how you make people feel when you write stuff like this? I have a thick skin, but it's not that thick, and I'm damned sure others feel it deeply. Is this what it's all about then? Is this the great philosophy, poisonous chatroom backstabbing? Fortunately for our two forums, the friendship that exists between me and Tony, is very real and goes far beyond websites. It'll be around long after this unpleasantness has faded into a nasty memory. But for now, if I were you, I'd be very, very nice to Tony, Kath and Adi. As for me, I think I'll take my leave for a while, I've a nasty taste in my mouth.
Martyn.
For some reason that escapes me, Young Bushman decided to launch an unprovoked attack on myself. He used an alias account on BB (ScottC87) to post some rather nasty comments...
I ran a search on his IP on BB and came up empty, but when I did the same on BcUK, every IP for ScottC87 was identical to IP's used by Young Bushman. I later discovered he had confessed/boasted to his authorship of this in the BcUK chatroom.
I dont know what makes a 14 year old post things like this, but it struck me that it was unlikely to be entirely of his own mind. It was also apparent that the BcUk chatroom was being used for something other than bushcraft and friendly chat. I discussed this with the mods and admins here, they agreed there was a problem and we decided to examine the chatroom history.
Now let me be clear about this (this goes for both BB and BcUK).
PM's = Private.
Forums = Public.
Chatroom = Public.
Now I'm labouring the point because it seems apparent, that this little nugget hasn't sunk in...
WHEN YOU MAKE A COMMENT IN THE CHATROOM, YOU ARE MAKING A PUBLIC STATEMENT THAT IS RECORDED AND STORED IN THE DATABASE FOREVER AND CAN BE RE-READ AT ANY TIME!
You are liable for what your write in a chatroom, just as much as on a forum, or even a newspaper for that matter. Courts can request of a website owner, full transcripts of chatroom logs to be presented in the event of a dispute, libel, slander, or defamation suit.
This public nature of the chatroom has been made abundantly clear on many occasions, as well as the fact the chatroom will be moderated. Yet I was stunned at what I read. The nasty and hateful messages being banded about, not just regarding myself, but also Tony, Kath, Adi and others. It was very clear that this was far more than just a mouthy juvenile. Browsing the chatroom history shows that he was really not much more than a foolish and gullible pawn. However, he was the one foolish enough to take this as far as he did and make defamatory comments in public. Just 14 or not, he consciously made deliberately poisonous comments, designed specifically to offend and hurt. If you're old enough to write it, you're old enough to be banned for it! However, and against the better judgment of many, he was given an opportunity to apologise - he declined.
The others involved were a little more shrewd and kept the nastiness in the chatroom. For that, they shall remain nameless, but they know who they are and they should be ashamed of themselves.
Here's a couple of comments from Young Bushman for illustration...
The above is only a small snippet of Young Bushman's comments; I wont quote other people or go back further, though I'm tempted. Let me make it clear, the disturbing and upsetting thing here isn't just the rants of some teenager "having fun", but also the comments from adults in the chatroom who should damn well know better.
This is not what our websites are about. Have we strayed so far off track that this is what we have been reduced to? The admins and moderators have put 100's, even 1000's of hours into our websites and this... simply stinks. We regularly work into the small hours, trying to build sites that are fun, enjoyable and informative, for nothing more than the love of it. The small cash returns, barely cover the electricity, let alone the numerous bills that need to be covered. We dont ask for anything, ...but hate campaigns, poisonous hateful messages - not just about me, but others, Kath, Adi, Tony and the mods....
What gives? It'd be easy for me or Tony to just agree to everything and anything, but the forums would turn to chaos in days. Our communities need people prepared to shoulder the agro and stand in the way of the crap. This demands we need to be hard-nosed on occasions. We dont expect thanks, but "hate campaigns"?
I dont know about Adi, Kath and Tony, but this makes me sick to my stomach. I feel like I want to jack the lot in.
I'm sorry, but shameful is the only way to describe this....
Have you stopped to think how you make people feel when you write stuff like this? I have a thick skin, but it's not that thick, and I'm damned sure others feel it deeply. Is this what it's all about then? Is this the great philosophy, poisonous chatroom backstabbing? Fortunately for our two forums, the friendship that exists between me and Tony, is very real and goes far beyond websites. It'll be around long after this unpleasantness has faded into a nasty memory. But for now, if I were you, I'd be very, very nice to Tony, Kath and Adi. As for me, I think I'll take my leave for a while, I've a nasty taste in my mouth.
Martyn.
I'm really shocked and saddened to hear about this. Only being part of the BCUK family for a short time, I saw everyone as being friendly and helpful, and I think for the majority that this is correct.
But to think that somebody would join a site to disrupt and cause offence to others, it's just wrong.
I hope that everyone learns from this individuals mistake and doesn't repeat them. After all, <learning> is what this site is about.
But to think that somebody would join a site to disrupt and cause offence to others, it's just wrong.
I hope that everyone learns from this individuals mistake and doesn't repeat them. After all, <learning> is what this site is about.
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:Slam_anim :sword2: :BlueTeamE oh my god well i would like to apoligise on behalf of all the other teenagaers on this site, and how about you get a mod who's job is to check the chatroom? and will ban the person including their ip address after tw instances? and also is ip just their computer number? and what a flippin, no good brat!!
T: :twak: :thumbs_do :aargh4: :Slam_anim :sword2: :BlueTeamE oh my god well i would like to apoligise on behalf of all the other teenagaers on this site, and how about you get a mod who's job is to check the chatroom? and will ban the person including their ip address after tw instances? and also is ip just their computer number? and what a flippin, no good brat!!
I'm sorry that a group as openly friendly and helpful has been sullied by the actions of a little a cabal of eejits. "Sticks and stones may break my bones....but names may hurt me very much". Even in the playground kids know better.
Admin and Mods on this site do such a good job, please don't let a fundamental orifice screw it up for anyone else.
Toddy
Admin and Mods on this site do such a good job, please don't let a fundamental orifice screw it up for anyone else.
Toddy
I'm very shocked by this! And saddened as well. You are of course absolutely right in getting rid of him, and let me assure you Martyn you don't come across anything like he was saying!
You must be mad!
And also those of you who you said were also insulted... It's such a shame because this is a brilliant forum where people get on and respect each other, there is no place in it whatsoever for people like that... quite what he was trying to achieve is beyond me :?:
What can I say but thanks again for a great site, there are members here (me at least!) who are extremely grateful for what you lot do :You_Rock_
You must be mad!
And also those of you who you said were also insulted... It's such a shame because this is a brilliant forum where people get on and respect each other, there is no place in it whatsoever for people like that... quite what he was trying to achieve is beyond me :?: What can I say but thanks again for a great site, there are members here (me at least!) who are extremely grateful for what you lot do :You_Rock_
I am lost for words and can only re-iterate what has been said previously. I know what I want to say but can't put it in words to do the scale and appreciation of it justice.
...thanks
...thanks
Moderating is a tough job, no pay and often no appeciation for the long hours and tough decisions made. This situation saddens me.
Kath, Tony, Adi and Martyn :You_Rock_ :Crazy_071
Kath, Tony, Adi and Martyn :You_Rock_ :Crazy_071
Martyn, don't take it to heart, ramblings of in-experience, he will see eventualy that this is one of the best places to share. you are right though banning was really over due you have patience!!! :wave: keep the faith
just a thought
just a thought
I didn't know stuff like this happened here. I always felt this was a place safe from people like that. I know I've not been here long but I figured this virtual camp fire was a place of wisdom and maturity.
This place is the first site I check when I turn on my pc just in case something new has been discovered or someone has spotted a bargain. To all the moderators and forumites who make this place something special to read and post on...
Thank you for what you do. I appreciate it and I know there are many more who also do. I mean without you lot who's gonna answer all the questions I have about the wildcamping trip I plan to take to Scotland later this year...
:You_Rock_
This place is the first site I check when I turn on my pc just in case something new has been discovered or someone has spotted a bargain. To all the moderators and forumites who make this place something special to read and post on...
Thank you for what you do. I appreciate it and I know there are many more who also do. I mean without you lot who's gonna answer all the questions I have about the wildcamping trip I plan to take to Scotland later this year...
:You_Rock_
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