I ran into a baikal about a year ago. unused for really small change. (<€350)
I love it to bits, 3k rounds through it and not a single hickup what so ever!
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I ran into a baikal about a year ago. unused for really small change. (<€350)
I love it to bits, 3k rounds through it and not a single hickup what so ever!
Wow. You did get lucky. I think Baikals are like the Russian AK-47: sloppy and nothing ever jams.
The 20 heats up. A single round of doubles trap (50 shots) and don't touch the chambers.
The 12 never gets hot.
There's a big machine shop on the gulf coast of Georgia in the USA, George Trulock.
I bought all new replacement choke tubes, turkey as well, from him for both the 12 and the 20.
They never crust up and never shoot loose.
The 20 heats up. A single round of doubles trap (50 shots) and don't touch the chambers.
The 12 never gets hot.
There's a big machine shop on the gulf coast of Georgia in the USA, George Trulock.
I bought all new replacement choke tubes, turkey as well, from him for both the 12 and the 20.
They never crust up and never shoot loose.
I actually tried a combo the other day, just for the fun of it.
An old Valmet
Kicked like a baby mule and roared like a canon!
I wasn't prepared for it at the first shot so I got myself a nice bruise, but it was great fun, though the combo's feel like weird mutations.
I also liked that it had no scope, so that I could try aiming the old fashioned way.
A fun gun, but I'm aiming for a rifle.
An old Valmet
Kicked like a baby mule and roared like a canon! I wasn't prepared for it at the first shot so I got myself a nice bruise, but it was great fun, though the combo's feel like weird mutations.
I also liked that it had no scope, so that I could try aiming the old fashioned way.
A fun gun, but I'm aiming for a rifle.
A lot of Americans recommending American guns, which is fine, but the Scanwegians make so many great rifles. I have a Swedish Varberger .308
A friend of mine just bought a Haenel Jaeger .308 - wasn't amazingly expensive and is a beautiful rifle, they're probably cheaper on the continent
A friend of mine just bought a Haenel Jaeger .308 - wasn't amazingly expensive and is a beautiful rifle, they're probably cheaper on the continent
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The haenel Jager 10 is my general purpose hunting rifle. I have it in .30-06 spr with a Zeiss Victory HT on it, and i love it to bits. Their around €1000 in the netherlands.
They all go 'bang!'. What I was looking for was a grocery list of features such as a single selective trigger, auto ejectors and so on.
I could not find everything I wanted in a single American shotgun for less than $5,000.
As far as the Baikals are concerned, Remington put another name on them to get them into the continent under the duty/tarrif radar.
I'm sure we would see more besides Sako and Tikka if the protectionist trade barriers disappeared.
Winchester has a long and colorful history in the United States. I'm told that they will never be even cosmetically "pretty" rifles.
The iconic lever-action .30-30 has a beer-belly trajectory but it's been a game-getter for more than a century.
If I got the appetite to buy another rifle, I think I will look long and hard at the CZ line. Still something in .30 cal.
I could not find everything I wanted in a single American shotgun for less than $5,000.
As far as the Baikals are concerned, Remington put another name on them to get them into the continent under the duty/tarrif radar.
I'm sure we would see more besides Sako and Tikka if the protectionist trade barriers disappeared.
Winchester has a long and colorful history in the United States. I'm told that they will never be even cosmetically "pretty" rifles.
The iconic lever-action .30-30 has a beer-belly trajectory but it's been a game-getter for more than a century.
If I got the appetite to buy another rifle, I think I will look long and hard at the CZ line. Still something in .30 cal.
Not in the league you are looking at, but i just put down a deposit and sent of for the licence for a CZ455 .22LR. I want it for small game and vermin around the place when using the shotgun is not practical.
Not to be nit-picky but the Howa was originally copied from the Sako L61R. The original Howa-Dickson was so closely copied that parts were interchangeable with the Sako. They were changed slightly (integral scope bases removed) to avoid patent infringement after that. Weatherby markets them as the Vanguard. For reference, my son has a Vanguard and I have the Sako.
Look on a CZ 557. Made by a company that produces top notch guns for users. 308, 30-06, 7mm RM or the classic Swedish allrounder 6.5-55
Winchester? Never shot with one.
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Yes- A modern classic! There is also a dead deer to spot. A bit later another joined it; a good, frosty morning with a lazy extraction!
That reminded me:
Not the most tasteful #1 but who cares when it spits the King of 22's at over 4000fps!
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My favourite survival person on youtube is Survival Lilly. She likes Steyr rifles. Not sure if she is 'sponsored' by them though.
Up until the early 1960s Winchester had an amazing reputation. Particularly for the Model 70. But in 1964 some cost cutting measures in the manufacturing process and even in the basic bolt design did much to destroy that reputation. Within the last decade or so quality and design have gone back up. If you buy a factory new gun you should be fine but a used one could be a gamble; if it's pre 1964 manufacture it might easily be worn out. If it's post 64, it could be from the bad years.
If zi may be blunt, these are the questions you need to ask yourself:
Budget
Intended game ( caliber)
Open sights or optics. (Quality optics cost money)
Only for hunt and a couple of boxes a year at range, or lots of boxes at range plus hunting
Esthetics important?
Local gun store- what do they sell, what can they service and repair?
I yhink you should buy as high quality gun as possible, with open sights. Learn to shoot with that. Optics have only come the last few decades. At the range you will hunt you do not need optics. BUT you can get them later. Top wuality optics are expensive.
Well chosen gun in optimal caliber and well maintained will last your lifetime and your grandchildrens lifetime.
A quality gun is accurate and the barell will last for thousands of rounds with not much loss of 'hunting accurancy'.
If you are ok with a non fancy wood, or happy with plastic, a quality gun does not have to cost a fortune.
Fancy wood is very expensive!
Budget
Intended game ( caliber)
Open sights or optics. (Quality optics cost money)
Only for hunt and a couple of boxes a year at range, or lots of boxes at range plus hunting
Esthetics important?
Local gun store- what do they sell, what can they service and repair?
I yhink you should buy as high quality gun as possible, with open sights. Learn to shoot with that. Optics have only come the last few decades. At the range you will hunt you do not need optics. BUT you can get them later. Top wuality optics are expensive.
Well chosen gun in optimal caliber and well maintained will last your lifetime and your grandchildrens lifetime.
A quality gun is accurate and the barell will last for thousands of rounds with not much loss of 'hunting accurancy'.
If you are ok with a non fancy wood, or happy with plastic, a quality gun does not have to cost a fortune.
Fancy wood is very expensive!
You are getting two rifles?
As esthetics are not importsnt for you, some models come with plastic stocks. An excellent material, stable, no warping, not easy to scratch.
As esthetics are not importsnt for you, some models come with plastic stocks. An excellent material, stable, no warping, not easy to scratch.
