The Covid19 Thread

[sunndog]

Damn boys don't get your knickers in a twist.

I had no intention of watching the vid till I read the rest of the comments. Gotta see what the fuss is about now

 

[Nomad64]

I've found if you choose to only listen to the stuff you want to listen too you'll never actually get challenged or question your own or others thinking or beliefs on a rational platform of debate.

But Tolerance and the ability to civilly debate others views is something that seems rare these days. Many will just retort with labels or attempt to not even enter into any ethical arena of free speech, choosing more to just listen to their own brand of opinion , so that all that comes back is an echo of an echo.

Each to their own. Do you only have friends with the same views as yourself? Interesting.

To be fair, it is getting harder to hear words of wisdom from S Y-L as most other social media platforms (Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, Twitter etc. etc.) have banned him and his organisation for stirring up racial/religious hatred. I can’t imagine Centre Parcs wanting him back either after he was arrested for assault there last month.

I’ve read stuff ranging from Mein Kampf to Das Kapital and formed my own view of the world which is somewhere between the two. I have seen and heard enough of S Y-L to get the clear impression that he is a one trick pony and a waste of oxygen that appears to be in acute shortage at some NHS hospitals where ironically a significant percentage of the staff in the front line of the struggle against this pandemic are the very people S Y-L and his ilk have a beef with.

I’m all in favour of free speech and debating all kinds of issues, not when it is simply done for the purpose of whipping up hatred - I can recommend a visit to the Rwanda Genocide Memorial in Kigale for a lesson on where that can end. Trust me, you will never think about machetes (although those who died that way, probably had it easier than others), the same way again - I managed to avoid puking my guts up but was crying like a baby when I left.

I certainly didn’t have the stomach to visit any of the local memorials at churches and village halls where the bones of those who had sought sanctuary are stacked where they died.

https://www.kgm.rw/

Hopefully this explains, even if it does not excuse my lack of tolerance for the views of Poundland Nazis, for which I apologise. I also have to confess that I have some sympathy Jake and Elwood’s approach to dealing with free speech gone too far!

Time perhaps to take a bit of a break!

Edit, Looks like the police are now investigating fake far right coronavirus social media posts.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ht-groups-over-anti-muslim-coronavirus-claims

 

[Paul_B]

If you can't get to Kigali try IWM of the North near Salford docks and the Lowry centre. There had a little alcove, perfect for kids to climb into, that had 6 stories of genocide in modern times. One was a 10 year old survivor from one of those Rwandan churches. Those 6 stories were recordings on a permanent loop giving the first hand stories of genocide including the Rwandan example. That whole museum is emotional IMHO any without doubt everyone in the country in should visit at least once in their life.

I went and intended to pop in for half hour I had to kill because someone was waiting outside. Two hours later I popped out in a kind of daze due to the emotion of what I'd seen. A lot is basically prejudice driven death. Games of death by political leaders based on political ideology or outright produce most of the time.

 

[santaman2000]

To be fair, it is getting harder to hear words of wisdom from S Y-L as most other social media platforms (Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, Twitter etc. etc.) have banned him and his organisation for stirring up racial/religious hatred. I can’t imagine Centre Parcs wanting him back either after he was arrested for assault there last month..........

To be honest I’d never heard of him before this video so I have no way of knowing. He may well be all you say he is. That said, I certainly wouldn’t base that judgement on him being banned from those social media sites.

 

[santaman2000]

I've found if you choose to only listen to the stuff you want to listen too you'll never actually get challenged or question your own or others thinking or beliefs on a rational platform of debate.

But Tolerance and the ability to civilly debate others views is something that seems rare these days. Many will just retort with labels or attempt to not even enter into any ethical arena of free speech, choosing more to just listen to their own brand of opinion , so that all that comes back is an echo of an echo.

Each to their own. Do you only have friends with the same views as yourself? Interesting.

This forum’s rules prohibit discussion of religion or politics partly to keep the forum focused on the core subject of bushcraft. That’s more than reasonable. However society at large has also taught (for a few generations now) that we should avoid those subjects to prevent disruptive arguments. Instead of preventing the arguments we simply lost the ability to have civil discussions about important topics. Now THAT is irony.

 

[santaman2000]

What’s wholly inexcusable is a relative newcomer suggesting a long time member and contributor such as Teedee go elsewhere. Many of us on here have had disagreements with one another before. Often verging on hostile (grateful here for the mods keeping it within reason) That said, I can’t remember anyone ever suggesting our opposing sides should go elsewhere. You’ve certainly reset the bar.

Thanks Santaman2000 , I do appreciate the comments and words of support but time served ( i have been fairly absent for the last few years to be fair ) shouldn't mean ( I believe ) I'm given any more consideration or merit over a relative 'newcomer' point of view - debates or arguments or to be honest just different opposing points of view or perspective that CAN be rationally discussed or explored and most importantly respected.


I genuinely feel sorry that Deekin has chosen to leave the forum , as I've found him interesting and incredibly helpful elsewhere on different topics being discussed so i wish he would reconsider and return.
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I agree with you regarding Deekin’s opinions and their value I’ve also found his input valuable on other subjects. My complaint was only towards his dismissiveness of others.

 

[santaman2000]

By eck!
Life here is quiet by comparison - I go for my daily walk or cycle, do my "homework" for work and post the odd item...
There are some folk out there "following the rules" but there are the normal number of prats either taking advantage or disregarding the new "norms" inc a certain Scottish lady who REALLY should know better),while folk die from stupidity/ignorance or even egotism.
Are Brits taking it all seriously? As per norm, some do, some don't....
Some will live, some will die - that is how it goes crisis or none.

Unfortunately the ones disregarding the recommendations are a bit like reckless drivers though. If their recklessness causes them to crash and kill themselves they’re only hurting themselves, but if it causes them to run over an innocent pedestrian trying to cross the street that’s quite a different thing. And you’re quite right, it’s the same around the world.

 

[TLM]

*If you get shot from the left and from the right you can't be far away from the center.*

"Political orientation is much too complicated yo be reduced on a single axis."

"I would shoot Nazis and Communists with equal disdain if lawfully ordered."

 

[Tengu]

As a wannabe museum specialist, I am deeply unhappy about ones that are too emotional.

And yes, I do know what genocide looks like; Its when you get one group in the landscape and then they are suddenly replaced by a group that builds different things, -and names them in their own language. For this reason I am dubious about the claim the Harrying of the North was a minor event.

But, its been forgotten, and perhaps that is a mercy.

 

[Nice65]

Despite the disparaging remarks about masks of concertina paper towel, the ‘experts’ here recommending full filtration, asbestos, fully fitted type and anything else being not fit for purpose, masks in any way, shape or form are recommended by the Center of Disease Control.

I’m sure there was a member who said, I’m not in the habit of coughing in peoples faces, when I attempted to explain aerosol and covering a surface, like with masking tape in a car spray shop. I left the conversation at that point.

COVID-19 and Your Health

Symptoms, testing, what to do if sick, daily activities, and more.

www.cdc.gov

 

[Tony]

I struggle with this thread, it has turned into a thread of politics and contention and I do my best to be patient with that (to the frustration of many of the mods because I regularly get proven to be wrong), but this thread has come a long way from the original question used by Chris about the virus and his personal take on the situation, especially regarding his parents.

There's an intolerance and button pushing going on that's not acceptable, there's got to be respect for each other but that's hard to have or hang on to when emotionally involved in contentious issues that invoke strong feelings both for the subject and relationships with others.

I know that there's always going to be disagreements and opinions that clash, we have wide views of the world that are developed over lifetimes of experience and inclinations, that's life. But here on Bushcraft UK we've got to be more grown up about it, the quote at the bottom of my sig says, 'it's not who's right, but what's right', what's right on Bushcraft UK is that we have a level of respect that stops us form chucking mud at each other and challenging each other in condescending and irritating ways.

The forum's been running for 17 years and these threads always turn into a mess (this one has actually done quite well all things considered) time and time again we know things are going to deteriorate and I push for them to be left, just in case, more fool me, although I will enviably do it again as I live in hope!

I am in two minds about closing the thread, on the one hand it give a place for some discussion about the huge issue we all jointly face at this time (that was the goal the thread originally) on the other it's a political and social whinge fest. I'll leave it for now in the hope that it can be a place of elven headed, nice conversation.

TeeDee - The video, I've removed it, I understand the sentiment and the principle that is expressed in it, but the thread isn't a place for the discussion of the social issues that beset us, I've been in those sorts of situations a few times and they're a reflection of situations that are usually much more complicated than is evident in the vids. Then there was the language, it became unacceptable to have on the forums, even if it is a reflection of the 'real world' it's not what I want on here.

Your a great bunch of people, many of you friends with each other and if you met you'd enjoy each others company around the fire, I hold you in high regard, you're good people and many of you fill your lives doing proactive good in the world and I take my hat off to you. Let's use the forums to support one another.
Stay safe

 

[Broch]

Strangely, it's only today that I've noticed the clear blue sky totally lacking any vapour trails - a definite plus for this situation. If only we could get out to photograph those iconic landscapes without the scar caused by aircraft in the sky!

 

[Woody girl]

Strangely, it's only today that I've noticed the clear blue sky totally lacking any vapour trails - a definite plus for this situation. If only we could get out to photograph those iconic landscapes without the scar caused by aircraft in the sky!

I've noticed it for a while.
Got so used to clear blue skies and no vapour trails I actually noticed one today and stood in wonderment watching it!
It's normaly so background that I never notice them. It's the first I've seen for two weeks. Heading for London from USA or somewhere like that by the trajectory.
Love those clear blue skies tho.

 

[petrochemicals]

Yep, everyone should wear a mask, to protect others, but to protect youself, i would not reccomended asbestos removal with one, specially the friable blue stuff! You need a fully fitting mask for cutting concrete, not a paper cup,. Maybe masks will stop infection by other peoples eyes or ears too.

 

[petrochemicals]

Truckers can fortunatley isolate inside there moving cab which is pretty much a description of there life anyway, very isolated.

 

[Fadcode]

This virus is worrying, and it shows in peoples attitudes, we are all under stress at the moment, walking around in circles trying to disseminate the tons of information coming out, and in some respect lost in what to believe and what not to believe.
We all have our own opinion on this, and nobody is right and nobody is wrong, so we must just basically watch and learn, we see China has started to relax restrictions, and some of us, myself included may not think this is a good move, only time will tell.

The other worrying thing about this virus, and I do hate to bring this up, is that it's possible all of us may not make it, I see already a few prolific names that have not posted on here for some time, now there could be an innocent reason for this, but one can't help thinking the worst may have happened.
Those members, with elderly parents who rely on them for care, will be facing daily struggles, as will most members, and I wish every one of you well, and maybe when this is all over we can gather round the campfire once again in harmony.

So lets be a bit more understanding, we all have our beliefs, our thoughts, and our opinions, but lets try and understand that others have their opinions too, lets not make it a personal battle between ourselves, we are all in the same boat, so let no-one rock it.

Stay safe, stay in, stay in touch.

 

[santaman2000]

........The other worrying thing about this virus, and I do hate to bring this up, is that it's possible all of us may not make it, I see already a few prolific names that have not posted on here for some time, now there could be an innocent reason for this, but one can't help thinking the worst may have happened.
Those members, with elderly parents who rely on them for care, will be facing daily struggles, as will most members, and I wish every one of you well, and maybe when this is all over we can gather round the campfire once again in harmony........

I was thinking this as well

 

[Tengu]

Dad is fine and actualy doing work on his own house for once.

He will be comming to the Moot if its on, I am sure.

But hes being very careful of late.

 

[Tengu]

How will coronavirus change the world?

Could the huge shifts in our way of life being introduced as part of the fight against Covid-19 pave the way for a more humane economy?

www.bbc.com

 

[Paul_B]

Perhaps if people worry about absent posters then a thread where people post that they're ok if they've not been in here for a while. Not sure how to get the message to them though. I know I drop in and out it here, sometimes for some time. That doesn't necessarily mean the AWOL posters have succumbed. Fingers crossed we all get through this.