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gunslinger

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Ok so a number of threads have been locked and deleted.

I would just like to post a question to obtain some clarification.
If a mod is taking part in a thread,are they equal to all other contributors?

I do not mean if a mod has had to intervene because there are problems,but simply if they a posting response and opinions on a thread in the same way as all contributors.

I pose this because I am slightly confused at the posts on the last locked thread,which seemed to infer, that you cannot disagree with them,or be anyway critical despite the fact that they are themselves critical of other posters.

My intention is not to offend but simply to clarify.

GS
 

Draven

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Do we need another? Really?

If you're not trying to cause aggro then can't you take it to PM? Sounds more like you're trying to stir. Not saying you are, just saying that's how it sounds.

Pete
 

C_Claycomb

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Gunslinger, I would be happy to answer you, but it is late and I am not going to have time to sit in on a protracted debate either now or tomorrow. So, the best I can offer is that I will try to send you a PM tomorrow.

Sorry Draven, removed Rofl's post.

Rofl, who is the same as Rolf and Bushy123, and is banned for spamming, stirring, swearing, and abuse. One person logging on with a succession of usernames using disposable email accounts. For someone who thinks so little of this place they are sure being careful to hide their identity. Why? The most we can do is ban them, and they don't seem to want to stay anyhow. It can only be that they get a kick out of stirring, which is ironic after all the things they have said of the moderators :rolleyes:
 

gunslinger

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No Pete I am not trying to stir anything,simply to gain clarification.

I cannot comment on the others you have mentioned as I am not sure they are still available.
Perhaps if that was not the case and they were still available for perusal,I may find the answer there.

My point is when is a mod,moderating and when are they an ordinary member taking part in the thread.
And as an interesting forum where I have actually met some interesting folk I would prefer not to be banned so it is with that in mind that I pose the question.

GS
 

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Hoodoo

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The comment posted by HillBill stating that Toddy reads PMs was not an opinion. It was an outright lie. Lets stick to the facts here. When a thread degenerates to that level, it will get locked. People will get banned. The same will happen (has happened) to people who want to continue to stir the pot.
 

Prawnster

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As I read it, Toddy inferred (unneccessarily) that she knew Hillbill had been in contact with someone else by pm. What was Hillbill supposed to think? Seems to me that for some reason Toddy wanted Hillbill to feel that he was being monitored.

As for the thread itself, we now have the situation that the biggest current news story cannot be discussed in the other chatter section because a few people including a moderator were of the opinion that it was over hyped.
Why couldn't those people just ignore the thread and let those who wanted to talk about it carry on? It only degenerated when people started to belittle Hillbill for his genuine interest and concern in the story.
 

Tadpole

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Why couldn't those people just ignore the thread and let those who wanted to talk about it carry on? It only degenerated when people started to belittle Hillbill for his genuine interest and concern in the story.
Sadly most people who post extreme views, take "silence as agreement", and continue to post nonsense, In fact it has been my experience, and I have been on BB’s and internet forums since 1992 that by ignoring such, you actively encourage them to be more aggressive in their posting style.
 

gunslinger

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The comment posted by HillBill stating that Toddy reads PMs was not an opinion. It was an outright lie. Lets stick to the facts here. When a thread degenerates to that level, it will get locked. People will get banned. The same will happen (has happened) to people who want to continue to stir the pot.
Fair enough if that the case. Obviously there was no way to know that and at the time I left the thread (which I thought contained some sensible stuff as well as the slightly OTT),it was in disagreement but in the main civil so I looked forward to having another look later.
Unfortunately when I returned the thread had just been deleted.
I am not continuing to stir the pot, rather I am replying to your post and no offence is meant


As I read it, Toddy inferred (unneccessarily) that she knew Hillbill had been in contact with someone else by pm. What was Hillbill supposed to think? Seems to me that for some reason Toddy wanted Hillbill to feel that he was being monitored.

As for the thread itself, we now have the situation that the biggest current news story cannot be discussed in the other chatter section because a few people including a moderator were of the opinion that it was over hyped.
Why couldn't those people just ignore the thread and let those who wanted to talk about it carry on? It only degenerated when people started to belittle Hillbill for his genuine interest and concern in the story.
Cant comment on the first part as stated above the thread was deleted and I had not seen that bit.

Second part I agree 100%.

In fact on some forums the abuse on Hillbill would have warranted the suspension of the perpetrators .

I reiterate what I have said in other posts. The only reasons for anyone reading past the first couple of posts are 1. they are interested in the subject. or 2. they see an opportunity to post childish and sarcastic comments.or 3.they are mods doing their job.

I will bow out of this one now as it it obvious that I didnt see the offence caused to the moderators who closed and deleted the thread and banned Hillbill. So am not really qualified to comment.


All the best
GS
 

Toddy

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Y'know I'm damned if I do, and damned if I don't.

I like people, I happily let them ramble on (long after I ought to have closed them down according to those more experienced at this than I am )

My tolerance and patience is rarely abused. However, occasionally it is taken as a kind of weakness, an open invitation to attack,

Silly really.

Do I regret my comments on the flu thread ?

No. I stand by them,

Irritating though it may be to see a disagreement here suddenly become the focus for a bunch of numpties, who do not usually contribute anything to the forum, to appear like a weirdly laughing pack of hyenas all in for a bite, that wasn't the worst of the fuss,

Three first time used accounts, deliberately set up a while ago, were all activated last night......all full of vitriolic attack on me, swearing, slander........if it had happened in the street I'd have called the police.
Turns out that all three were one and the same person, who posted the same message on eight of the forums. That particular numpty is gloating elsewhere and not particularly hard to find I'm told.
So, that accounts for three bans last night.

Fun, fun, fun.

It carries on.

In come long term members who have not contributed to the thread but have been Modded or disagreed with me in the past................and guess what ? They decide to have a go too. :rolleyes:

Does it change anything ?

Only that threads with a hysterical edge or TEOTWAWKI will now be closed much more quickly, will not be allowed to ramble on for 8 pages, and instead of me editing out swearing and leaving it be, I'm under strict orders to penalise those who do so.


Mods personal opinion on threads ..............'scuse me ?? I'm a member too. It's why I'm here............if I'm stuck at my desk or my workbench my hands are busy, the threads here are a background conversation.
Of course I'm going to join in.

It also means, much to the irritation of those who want to let rip, that I see the threads coming in. Basically I'm chatting to friends all day.
Discussion is normal, even disagreements, but for those to become a focus for the puerile who don't contribute normally is really kind of pathetically sad.

Well, there you have it, my tuppence halfpenny worth.

The Boss says, "Ask them nicely. Then be firm. Then hit them with a ban."

Seems I'm too lenient........funny I got called a Nazi last night :dunno:

cheers,
Toddy
 

Barney

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Three first time used accounts, deliberately set up a while ago, were all activated last night......all full of vitriolic attack on me, swearing, slander........if it had happened in the street I'd have called the police.





Toddy
I saw those threads appearing last night one after the other all across the forum, They were particularly vicious and very childish. Not called for at all in my opinion.
 

Huon

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Hi Toddy,

I'm not sure if this helps your mood but I think your posts both as a mod and a member are always fair and reasonable.

You are also one of the members whose input I make a point of reading - your contributions to this forum are superb.

Please don't let any of this get you down. You are doing an excellent job.

Keep up the good work.

Huon

Y'know I'm damned if I do, and damned if I don't.

I like people, I happily let them ramble on (long after I ought to have closed them down according to those more experienced at this than I am )

My tolerance and patience is rarely abused. However, occasionally it is taken as a kind of weakness, an open invitation to attack,

Silly really.

Do I regret my comments on the flu thread ?

No. I stand by them,

Irritating though it may be to see a disagreement here suddenly become the focus for a bunch of numpties, who do not usually contribute anything to the forum, to appear like a weirdly laughing pack of hyenas all in for a bite, that wasn't the worst of the fuss,

Three first time used accounts, deliberately set up a while ago, were all activated last night......all full of vitriolic attack on me, swearing, slander........if it had happened in the street I'd have called the police.
Turns out that all three were one and the same person, who posted the same message on eight of the forums. That particular numpty is gloating elsewhere and not particularly hard to find I'm told.
So, that accounts for three bans last night.

Fun, fun, fun.

It carries on.

In come long term members who have not contributed to the thread but have been Modded or disagreed with me in the past................and guess what ? They decide to have a go too. :rolleyes:

Does it change anything ?

Only that threads with a hysterical edge or TEOTWAWKI will now be closed much more quickly, will not be allowed to ramble on for 8 pages, and instead of me editing out swearing and leaving it be, I'm under strict orders to penalise those who do so.


Mods personal opinion on threads ..............'scuse me ?? I'm a member too. It's why I'm here............if I'm stuck at my desk or my workbench my hands are busy, the threads here are a background conversation.
Of course I'm going to join in.

It also means, much to the irritation of those who want to let rip, that I see the threads coming in. Basically I'm chatting to friends all day.
Discussion is normal, even disagreements, but for those to become a focus for the puerile who don't contribute normally is really kind of pathetically sad.

Well, there you have it, my tuppence halfpenny worth.

The Boss says, "Ask them nicely. Then be firm. Then hit them with a ban."

Seems I'm too lenient........funny I got called a Nazi last night :dunno:

cheers,
Toddy
 

Toddy

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I was very, very lucky the day I surfed into this site :D

I've made a lot of friends, learned a tremendous amount about the most amazing variety of things and topics :cool: and had the opportunity to be part of a truly excellent group of people.

Out of all the threads on the forum, and there are thousands, there are a minicule number that go nuts.
This is a friendly site, clean and intentionally safe for the family men to happily allow their children to ramble through it.
The vast majority of members happily help keep it that way :approve: It is much appreciated. :cool:

The few discontented who seem to desperately need confrontation are one thing. I'd much rather they said it to me directly at a Meet or by pm, but patience isn't universal. :dunno:

The individual who deliberately planned to take advantage of a dispute to post his foul mouthed rantings across eight different forums within the site, under three different aliases is another thing altogether.
That wasn't an attack on a Mod, that was a potential attack on every parent whose children access the site.
I would like to believe that they are thoroughly ashamed of themselves, somehow I doubt it :sigh:
Ah well.

It is heartening to hear from so many people though, and yes, I'd happily put the kettle on :D I'd even find the cake tins :D

It's not Mods that keep this site as it is, we just help; it's the Members who keep it as alive and interesting, and it's the Members who make the threads and the meets and the site something I'm very glad I found.

:You_Rock_
:D
Toddy
 

Wild Thing

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Hi Toddy

I haven't been on this forum long, but I moderate for another forum and I have been told that I am too leanient as well. Like you, I like to give people a warning, then be firm and only suspend or ban people if they just don't listen.

Anybody who thinks that being a mod is easy, hasn't got a clue what moderators really do to keep forums safe friendly and free from obscenities., but as the old saying goes you can please some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time. Sooner or later someone will take the hump because of something you have done, either personally or as a mod, and people being the way they are, they will never believe it may be their fault there was a problem, they will always blame you!!

Just keep doing what you are doing and don't let the so and so's (being polite) get you down.

Regards

Phill:bye:
 

John Fenna

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I would just like to give Toddy my support - I realy dislike it when things get out of hand and the (I will not post the description I have in mind) who gave you grief like that should crawl up a suitable orifice and be at home in its contents.
That is not to say that I always agree with Toddy on all points :))) but I can see that the job of Mod is a toughy - especially on a site that is determined to be family friendly!
May all the Mods continue keeping this the site I love to be on!
 

MartinK9

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I would just like to give Toddy my support - I realy dislike it when things get out of hand and the (I will not post the description I have in mind) who gave you grief like that should crawl up a suitable orifice and be at home in its contents.
That is not to say that I always agree with Toddy on all points :))) but I can see that the job of Mod is a toughy - especially on a site that is determined to be family friendly!
May all the Mods continue keeping this the site I love to be on!
Well said that man..
 

Sniper

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The mods on this site have my admiration and full support at all times. I just don't understand why people have to take an argument or discussion to levels that get so heated instead of just agreeing to disagree with each other or cooling it down long before it gets outta hand, instead of ramping it up to where they feel the need to verbally attack another poster, be it a member or a Mod on the receiving end. It's sad when someone has to step in and control it, when it would be far better and easier if the posters themselves would recognise when something is getting a bit OTT. If we get into an argument and the police intervene then you don't turn on the police unless you want locked up, so why think this is any different. The police (mods) are her to protect the site and the members and they do a great job for us all, we should be thanking them and supporting them, not abusing and berating them. Well done mods and more power tae yer elbows as the say, good job folks and keep it up.
 
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