Fair enough, it has made me think twice also weary of people who have a problem about my gear and why i took it with me. I understand that there needs to be experience to how much you need and how much we would use our gear and how much you need, for me i would binge so i need well you folks know but people new to this thread well they have an idea. I accept and know i wasn't listening to people who have far better knowledge than i but we all have our preferences to what gear we need and yes i already knew it was excessive but that was already pointed out. Also i understand it was like how to suck eggs with the shopping list in a way. Anyways i am lazy have to admit, i will have to learn the hard way, but i am happy with my choice of gear and it will be put to the test, and yea it would be wiser to listen to people or would be life threatening yes but i would be casual camping and have changed me mind about camping in scotland because of that potential life threatening situation. As for 2020 winter moot, that is one of the reasons why i have spent time looking at gear online, i also understand that my choice of gear would not be touched by experienced people. I understand that you would not need certain items if i attend the 2020 winter moot. If i get grilled again then so be it but i have to admit i am inconsistent but i won't be taking the same approach because i was not listening to advise but at a later time point i would if my gear is not up to snuff..so the winter moot would be a far better forgiving experience instead of doing running instead of learning to walk. Anyways since i am inconsistent i have to edit, and the reason why some if not most would not use the gear i choosen is because of the weight. Edit again, And or going with less posh gear and use a normal 2 litre coke bottle, but because i am lazy i know i want kit that is already done for you. Dan.