What do you want to know about Coastal Survival?

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addo

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Feb 8, 2006
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Hi Fraser, good to see you here and cheers for the information.
Just bought some more books from a well known cottage after the course at Woody's. I'm hooked, but stuck in the middle of the country for a while now.
 

redandshane

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Oct 20, 2007
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OT a bit but
I too met Fraser on A BCUK course

Tony why not sort something with coastal survival I think theres quite a bit of follow on interest plus no doubt some others?



see sometimes I have a good idea
 
May 6, 2010
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Hey Fraser, great info so far!
But I wanted to ask; I've heard that all seaweeds in this country are edible (or atleast not toxic), is this true?
Can you really go and sample any seaweeds you find? I'm a little sceptical of this...
Thanks,
Dan.

There's a couple that grow at really deep depth that have a low Ph or are so alkaline that they could make you ill. Luckily we don't find them in the intertidal zones, my advice would be only collect attached seaweed from the rocks etc.
 

StigOfTheDump

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River cottage handbook number 5 Edible Seashore by John Wright is a usefull and humourously written book that isnt overly expensive if bought from Amazon.
 

jackcbr

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Hey Fraser, glad to see you active on here. Thanks again for the course the other week. Not being the biggest fish lover, I still found it very interesting. Even thinking about trying some more seaweed. Limpet wasn't too bad either! Still can't get over the dogfish skin...
 

_scorpio_

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a list of edible common fish, shellfish, seaweeds, crustaceans and that sort of thing that you are likely to find in rock pools appeals to me. in a survival situation i would personally much prefer to go down the beach at low tide with a pointy stick and a rock and stab and squish a load of edible stuff, rather than weaving a trap or waisting food as bait to catch fish.
as little energy as possible with the maximum outcome is what i would be after.

ooh, and (even though i just said i dont want to be making traps) are there any really easy traps to make. ones that just catch anything and everything and keep it all alive until you get to it. what i am thinking of is something that i have heard somewhere a long time ago, which was basically making a horseshoe shaped dam of rocks with a hole behind it (the opening of the horseshoe facing inland) which works as a rockpool on a beach that might otherwise just be a load of small stones. then when the tide goes out you see what was left behind.
 

StigOfTheDump

Tenderfoot
Jan 26, 2007
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i have heard somewhere a long time ago, which was basically making a horseshoe shaped dam of rocks with a hole behind it

Up here its called a Flounder pond, its probably called the same thing everywhere, when the tide goes out you go in in your bare feet and try to find your flounders by treading on them.

Wilks, (Winkles in England) are easy, as are limpets, both are grazers as opposed to filter feeders and as such don't concentrate any toxins that might be present.
Crabs are very easy to catch with a drop net, and if your lucky and over a deep pool (off of the edge of a cliff) you might get a lobster.

Sea weeds are fairly easy to collect, but personally are not to my taste, but luckily an amazing variety of edible plants seem to grow on the shore. Caloric staples to be foraged are Sea Kale roots and Silver weed roots ( a famine food in Scotland) as well as more common staples. Plus a host of greens like Sea beet, Black mustard, Sea kale stems (blanched) Wild radish. All of these grow prolifically on the shore where I live. Plus all the usual fare you find inland.

I think its wise if you think you may be stuck in this sort of situation to carry a fishing rod and reel, they are relatively light and could fill your belly day after day.

Sea birds are another thing to consider, Gannets have been staple fair in the highlands in the past. Birds can provide you with fat where game has very little.

Just as an after thought, the River Cottage handbook on the seashore is really excellent i think, has a good explanation of legal stuff and lots of good info.
My other favourite book is The complete book of seafood fishing by Rob Avery, its not a kit monsters book, its just what you need to know to get started with a lot of different stuff, with an emphasis on food.
 

SMARTY

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Fraser, thanks for the great info so far. We cover sea and sea coast survival on some of our courses down here in Cornwal. I have noticed a lot of mention of food and sea shore edibles in this thread so far. We are suggesting that as a general rule of thumb "no water to aid digestion, then dont eat" in a survival situation. What are your thoughts on this?, and what do you feel is the most effective way to procure drinking water during a coastal survival situation?
 

Melonfish

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Jan 8, 2009
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what about a stream or river late on the outbound tide just before the new tide comes in? wouldn't that yield fresh water? certainly less salty then the sea.
 

BarryG

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Fraser. Welcome, great to have you aboard. Interesting stuff.

I was wondering if you can put together an idiots guide to preparing a crab, including which ones you can or cant eat. I understand that there are poisonous parts i.e. the gills etc, however are they easy to identify?
 
May 6, 2010
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Hi
Its a fact that you need water to digest food, but taking into account that a lot of food are, especially vegetables, made up of nearly all water, some more than others of course, for example the Sea kale that just oozes out sweet liquid when broken in early spring, shell fish such as clams, mussels and oyster are fairly self digestible, all this is true when eaten uncooked, as cooking will take away the contained water content. I would not pass a free easily digestible meal buy in my quest to obtain fresh water. You need to find a source of fresh water running either over the cliffs or via a stream etc, or get off the beach! To produce fresh water if you don't have a reverse osmosis pump, equipment to produce a solar still or rain catcher, know how to divine or have a stream or spring near by - you need to move until you find one, for that you will need energy, eat little and often and if possible carry some forage foods in an old plastic bottle (there's un/fortunately usually one on ever beach in the world) Until you reach fresh water?
I hope this makes sense ?

Kind regards

Fraser
 
May 6, 2010
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The general assumption that there are parts of a crab that are poisonous is in some part true, the "dead man's fingers" as there generally refereed to, which are the grey, witches finger like, multi gilled parts that protrude outwards from the main carapace under the shell, the dead man's fingers are not inherently poisonous, they are the filtration part of he crabs system to filter toxins from its exterior environment, thus if there is a toxin present such as blue/green algae it will bio accumulate in the dead man's fingers rendering them toxic! A simple way to be safe if you were unsure would be to pull every thing off the de-shelled body and only eat the soft mushy stuff (brown meat) in the shell and what's in the body (honey comb) and in the legs and claws
 

Colin.W

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I vaguely remember being shown how to produce drinkable water from sea water involving a can of sea water over the fire to produce steam which was directed towards the base of a mess tin of cold water causing it to condense and the condensate dripping into a collecting container. I remember it took ages to get going and the drinking water was slow flowing but it worked
 

Ronnie

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Oct 7, 2010
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Consider a Solar Still:

Big ugly but effective German contraption which demonstrates the principle nicely:
[video=youtube;On7gbKIa5zc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On7gbKIa5zc[/video]

More elegant, inflatable design as demonstrated by Mears:
[video=youtube;_gLXq0xn5Gc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gLXq0xn5Gc[/video]
 
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Here's a short clip on the pit smoker, my favourite way to smoke some fish if you don't have a cardboard box!
[video=youtube;vsXWSHRZiyU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsXWSHRZiyU&feature=player_detailpage[/video]

(Sorry about the quality its self shot on a small stills camera)

Cheers

Fraser
 
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stretch3144

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Another method to obtain drinking water from sea water is to place a clean piece of absobant cloth over the top of a boiling vessel, then wring the condensate out of the cloth. I guess this would be pretty slow, but could yield a supply of drinking water.
 

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