I totally agree with you, all meat eaters should have to work a week in an abbatoir each year to gain a meat eating licence! People should be aware of what is going on, not just pick it up in a plastic tray at Tesco.
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I totally agree with you, all meat eaters should have to work a week in an abbatoir each year to gain a meat eating licence! People should be aware of what is going on, not just pick it up in a plastic tray at Tesco.
we arnt exactly nice to plants we grow to eat either
something still dies just it gets ripped out of the ground cut up live and boiled etc or we pull or chop bits of it to eat
sit in an ancient woodland quietly for a while and tell me you cant feel its alive
so its really where you draw a line
and for most the line will move if circumstances take a turn for the worse ( Film ALIVE) or better (intensive chicken to free range) etc
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Duncan
ive prepared and eaten rabbit and trout laws wont let me gut my own cow sheep etc but if they did i would but i agree with some of what you say and i helped my dad once as a child whilst he was building on an abbatoir found it interesting to say the least the way we farm is bad and barbaric i think in defense of the people against meat eating the whole act of meat farming could be cleaned up not in the sense of meat prep but mainly the welfare the animal has prior to slaughter
we arnt exactly nice to plants we grow to eat either
something still dies just it gets ripped out of the ground cut up live and boiled etc or we pull or chop bits of it to eat
sit in an ancient woodland quietly for a while and tell me you cant feel its alive
so its really where you draw a line
and for most the line will move if circumstances take a turn for the worse ( Film ALIVE) or better (intensive chicken to free range) etc
ATB
Duncan
a japanese scientist proved plants feel pain too and are perhaps more sensitive than animals as they need to be to live a sessile life sap/blood whats the difference still lifeforms we just need to deal with the fact we are top of the chain and its our time for now until we pollute ourselves to death to quote radiohead ill take a quiet life and a handshake of carbon monoxide
we arnt exactly nice to plants we grow to eat either
something still dies just it gets ripped out of the ground cut up live and boiled etc or we pull or chop bits of it to eat
sit in an ancient woodland quietly for a while and tell me you cant feel its alive
so its really where you draw a line
and for most the line will move if circumstances take a turn for the worse ( Film ALIVE) or better (intensive chicken to free range) etc
ATB
Duncan
Interesting points there mate, now you have me thinking, guess i am either going to starve to death or i will meditate myself into a higher plane of existence and transend into a free spirit bushcraft ninja.
Thats me for this thread, now im just getting silly.....lol.
Col
yes you can it just massively restricts who can eat it pigs are a little better as not covered by TSE regs
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Duncan
All life is life...be it animal or veg and should be respected.
I accept that for me to eat something must die, and in general terms, give thanks to the life that has been given that I may live.
This is - as I understand it - the origin of the neglected practice of saying grace before a meal. Native Americans used to give thanks to the animals they killed for food and many traditions have ceremonies thanking the Spirit of the crops they harvest.
I am not a Veggie but try to eat "real" food as much as possible...that is food that has had as much of a natural life as is possible these days. By this I mean Organic and naturally raised produce and meat.
Unfortunately this is hard to do (thanks to price, availability and honesty in labeling) - and I still am addicted to Bacon Grill!
Over-processed food is disrespectful of the source of the food and of your own body if you eat it - "you are what you eat" and that applies to veg as well as meat!
I eat a lot of vegetarian food - vegetarian cows, vegetarian sheep etc....
but strangely enough lots of vegetables are raised on the old "Fish, blood and bone" type fertilizer so my meat is vegetarian but my vegetables are not....
"Respect all your food" is what I try to live by.
I accept that for me to eat something must die, and in general terms, give thanks to the life that has been given that I may live.
This is - as I understand it - the origin of the neglected practice of saying grace before a meal. Native Americans used to give thanks to the animals they killed for food and many traditions have ceremonies thanking the Spirit of the crops they harvest.
I am not a Veggie but try to eat "real" food as much as possible...that is food that has had as much of a natural life as is possible these days. By this I mean Organic and naturally raised produce and meat.
Unfortunately this is hard to do (thanks to price, availability and honesty in labeling) - and I still am addicted to Bacon Grill!
Over-processed food is disrespectful of the source of the food and of your own body if you eat it - "you are what you eat" and that applies to veg as well as meat!
I eat a lot of vegetarian food - vegetarian cows, vegetarian sheep etc....
but strangely enough lots of vegetables are raised on the old "Fish, blood and bone" type fertilizer so my meat is vegetarian but my vegetables are not....
"Respect all your food" is what I try to live by.
Sorry but this is not really true, it is claimed he did not to eat meat other than ham, fish and chickens, and beef soup/stew, He didn't drink either, well other than wine or beer, or smoke unless it was after meals. Benjamin Franklin was a vegetarian, (only for a year) but he kept and sold slaves from his general store so that kind of balances it out.
Some B vitamins are created by bacteria, (in the human gut) so back in the days when 'night soil' was sold to grow crops/food for humans, and the crops were not mechanically washed, there was no shortage of them for the body. (Not that we need that much in the way of the B vitamins)
Dont wash your home grown too much and you will be ok.
I eat anything, I love vegetable soup too but find it tastes better with a kilo of lamb thrown in the pot as well.
Cook them.
In all seriousness, a high-proportion vegetable diet has significantly more fibre than a meat-based diet; hence, your gut is possibly getting a real work-out at the moment, maybe more so than usual! Many oligosaccharides (medium-chain carbohydrates) and some longer chain carbs can only be digested by bacteria in the gut. If you haven't eaten a great deal of veg in the past, you my be slightly deficient in some types of gut flora. This will change and I suspect any discomfort will disappear very soon. Don't bother eating these 'pro-biotic' yoghurts - it's b****cks.
Alternatively, there may just be something that just 'disagrees' with you! Not very scientific, I know. I will not talk about food intolerance here because most self-diagnosed 'intolerants' just eat too quickly and don't chew their food enough - fact! However, if you feel you have a genuine intolerance to a particular type of food, see your GP for some testing - don't just assume you are lactose/wheat/whatever intolerant!
Health and nutrition is a favorate subject of mine and I'm still, after years and year, undecided on weather meat is essential for optimum health or detrimental to optimal health.
Until I decide for sure, I do eat a small amount of quality organic grass fed red meat. About 200g a week. And I also eat bone marrow soup from boiling bones for 24 hours - really, REALLY mineral-dense stuff.
Last week I FINALLY bought a £375 juicer and am very happy with it. I'm now insured from disease in future life and well on the way to optimal health thanks to this bit of kit.
Until I decide for sure, I do eat a small amount of quality organic grass fed red meat. About 200g a week. And I also eat bone marrow soup from boiling bones for 24 hours - really, REALLY mineral-dense stuff.
Last week I FINALLY bought a £375 juicer and am very happy with it. I'm now insured from disease in future life and well on the way to optimal health thanks to this bit of kit.
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I respect why people eat meat but this is totally wrong, if we were all vegetarians there would be more land and less global warming beacuse a hge percentage of grown crops are fed to animals.
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An acre of land will feed about 2.5 cows. The same amount of land will feed four to six families or about 12 to 15 people and possibly more.
India is a case in point concerning food production. Most of the pop of India are Hindus who are mainly vegetarian. Even with her vast pop India is a major food exporter, producing more food than she needs for home use.
"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." -- Albert Einstein
I thought "Vegetarian" was a native American word that meant "He who is useless at hunting" Or "Dances With Carrots"
...... I'll get me coat
...... I'll get me coat
Sorry - but a meal is not a meal unless at least one thing on the plate once looked over a hedge.
Ok..... so Im a farmer and frankly Im disgusted that a thread about vegetarianism has decended into farmer bashing. why do the people who work so hard to deliver food to your table get berated at every opportunity?
Apparently we are guilty of global warming, animal cruelty, poisoning the land and water courses, stealing tax payers money.... do you really think were bad people????
Has it never occured to the poster who wrote that animals are kept in barbaric conditions that we actually care deepley about our animals, the rate of suicide among farmers during F+M culls went up tenfold, not because of buisness security, but because farmers were losing the animals that they had reared.
Animals in this country for the best part are kept in exceptionally high welfare standards and can be culled for meat with livestock rearers safe in the knowledge that they cared for that animal and now it is time for it to meet its end and purpose.
There are elements of my industry (dairy) which Im not proud of already mentioned in this thread, it saddens me. but it is unfortunatley economics which make the world go around something we must all take responsibility for. Tesco makes the choices of what hits your shelf and how much you should pay for it.
I respect your right to be a vegetarian, but dont tell me its wrong to eat meat, were not the only species on earth to eat meat.
On the environmental angle... ickyan... your stats are very flawed, has it not occured to you that you cant grow veg on the side of snowdon for example?? if we devide all of the agricultural land available between the population your left with 0.3ha/person, not sound too bad? well over half this is moor, cant grow veg, infact the eligble area for veg is tiny. and what about the huge demand for water that these crops have? is this environmentally friendly? or ethically sound?
Ruminants have the extrordinary ability to utilse a crop which grows in abundance in temperate climates which we cannot use, and turn it into something we can eat. so please dont label the cow as an environmental criminal.
And please dont think organincd dosent damage the environemt, that meerley passes the problem to someone else. but thats a story for another day.
sincerely,
MK
Apparently we are guilty of global warming, animal cruelty, poisoning the land and water courses, stealing tax payers money.... do you really think were bad people????
Has it never occured to the poster who wrote that animals are kept in barbaric conditions that we actually care deepley about our animals, the rate of suicide among farmers during F+M culls went up tenfold, not because of buisness security, but because farmers were losing the animals that they had reared.
Animals in this country for the best part are kept in exceptionally high welfare standards and can be culled for meat with livestock rearers safe in the knowledge that they cared for that animal and now it is time for it to meet its end and purpose.
There are elements of my industry (dairy) which Im not proud of already mentioned in this thread, it saddens me. but it is unfortunatley economics which make the world go around something we must all take responsibility for. Tesco makes the choices of what hits your shelf and how much you should pay for it.
I respect your right to be a vegetarian, but dont tell me its wrong to eat meat, were not the only species on earth to eat meat.
On the environmental angle... ickyan... your stats are very flawed, has it not occured to you that you cant grow veg on the side of snowdon for example?? if we devide all of the agricultural land available between the population your left with 0.3ha/person, not sound too bad? well over half this is moor, cant grow veg, infact the eligble area for veg is tiny. and what about the huge demand for water that these crops have? is this environmentally friendly? or ethically sound?
Ruminants have the extrordinary ability to utilse a crop which grows in abundance in temperate climates which we cannot use, and turn it into something we can eat. so please dont label the cow as an environmental criminal.
And please dont think organincd dosent damage the environemt, that meerley passes the problem to someone else. but thats a story for another day.
sincerely,
MK
I don't think folks are bashing farmers, I do think they are bashing the economics that make folks want milk for under a £ for four litres and chicken breasts at 50p each though.
Personally I'm incredibly grateful that farmers produce such a huge range of crops that I can eat without having to forage further than Tesco's
cheers,
Toddy
Personally I'm incredibly grateful that farmers produce such a huge range of crops that I can eat without having to forage further than Tesco's
cheers,
Toddy
first post - hello folks!
I'm vegetarian, have been vegan for a while as well. I also work in the organic sector.
I don't think I could kill and eat an animal until push comes to shove, I also have some problems with the ethics of the way our species uses and abuses animals but I also recognise that in a lot of areas it is about survival. I think my main problem is with the mechanisation and industrial nature of the factory farming of our food. I realise I am hypocritical and I struggle with that...
All this being said I have much more respect for a farmer who looks after his livestock and aims to give them as good a life as possible before slaughter - than those in the industry that have no real relationship with the creatures
All very confused I know but I hope you get the jist!
I'm vegetarian, have been vegan for a while as well. I also work in the organic sector.
I don't think I could kill and eat an animal until push comes to shove, I also have some problems with the ethics of the way our species uses and abuses animals but I also recognise that in a lot of areas it is about survival. I think my main problem is with the mechanisation and industrial nature of the factory farming of our food. I realise I am hypocritical and I struggle with that...
All this being said I have much more respect for a farmer who looks after his livestock and aims to give them as good a life as possible before slaughter - than those in the industry that have no real relationship with the creatures
All very confused I know but I hope you get the jist!
I didn't mean any offence, this is a sensitive issue and people have strong opinions.
We don't need to get emotional its only what food that we decide to eat.
I just wanted to see if any bushcrafters were vegetarian as its seems quite an un bushcrafty thing.
I still think vegetarianism is good though. An there's nothing wrong with a bit of meat but I think people ate way to much these days and don't appreciate the feelings of the animal and if they really need it to survive.
We don't need to get emotional its only what food that we decide to eat.
I just wanted to see if any bushcrafters were vegetarian as its seems quite an un bushcrafty thing.
I still think vegetarianism is good though. An there's nothing wrong with a bit of meat but I think people ate way to much these days and don't appreciate the feelings of the animal and if they really need it to survive.
to get back to the original sort of theme...
if you where in a survival situation you would have to be very good to survive on plants in my opinion not only in identifying what you can eat but also maximising calories and in some conditions i imagine it to be nigh on impossible (desert, arctic come to mind) but even in lush areas you still have the problem of misidentifying a poisonous plant (yeah i know this is true to both vegetarians and omnivores) but one who eats meat can rely on taking fewer gambles and stick to a few plants he/she knows well and get the rest of what they need from game.
Fortunately we live in civilizations where we can choose how we cram our cakeholes :-D
if you where in a survival situation you would have to be very good to survive on plants in my opinion not only in identifying what you can eat but also maximising calories and in some conditions i imagine it to be nigh on impossible (desert, arctic come to mind) but even in lush areas you still have the problem of misidentifying a poisonous plant (yeah i know this is true to both vegetarians and omnivores) but one who eats meat can rely on taking fewer gambles and stick to a few plants he/she knows well and get the rest of what they need from game.
Fortunately we live in civilizations where we can choose how we cram our cakeholes :-D
