Take to the Trees! A Pictorial Guide to Hammocking

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British Red

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Tarp (3m x 3m sil nylon Tatonka 2), hammock, 4 pegs, mozzi net, 2 x 5m tapes and 2 karabiners weigh 2450g

Underblanket weighs 1250 g

Quilt just over 1000g

Red
 
Tarp (3m x 3m sil nylon Tatonka 2), hammock, 4 pegs, mozzi net, 2 x 5m tapes and 2 karabiners weigh 2450g

Underblanket weighs 1250 g

Quilt just over 1000g

Red

Interesting at 2250 the insulation is close to the weight of the Softie 10 mine is 2020gms and is their -10 bag (well -7 comfort -12 low :rolleyes: )
though i suspect its over a greater m sqr but the top quilt will bunch and tuck under

my std Asym HH with snakes is 1175gms plus a little for tapes i dont carry pegs
though cos im to tight to flash forthe Hex fly I carry a Tarp
swapping in the hex fly i guess would add 400gms to 500gms

Tarp UK issue DPM = 910gms Say 1kg with Cords.

for interest my inflatable mat is 1600gms
an aric reg is 969gms
Softie 3 is 1300gms

ATB

Duncan
 

British Red

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So a HH with a proper sized tarp would be 2275g (just trying to compare apples with apples)

plus 1600g for a mat

plus 2020g for s softie 10

5895g all up

Magikelly / Wanderinstar system

4700g (which is basically down to not needing a mat)

I'd be interested in what other complete systems (not necessarily hammock systems) weigh in at (assuming 3 - 4 season use)

Red
 
i would say Asym with Hex fly 1600gms (not a 3m x 3m but big enough ;) )

an Alpkit Aric Regular (which is thicker than my cheap gelert) 969gms
and the softie 10 2020gms

= 4589gms

knock of another 700gms if a the lighter softie3
even more if you got for the super light hex saves 140 oz but thats silly money :D

however remove the Mat @ 969gms
and add the Hennsy 4 season system @ 420gms but another £75 ish :(

4 season over cover will uprate the sleeping bag (this is getting worse than Dungons n Dragons your Roll :lmao: )
gives

3900gms winter ie Asym Hexlight plus 4 season @ £190 & Softie 10
3200gms summer ie Asym Hexlight plus 4 season @ £190 & Softie 3

if you dont get taxed :eek: :(

oh and my Softie weights are the SF 1 & 2 the normal ones are lighter but i cant be ar$ed to re do it all :) as i didnt realise there was a differnce

ATB

Duncan
 

British Red

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So how does the Hennessy 4 season system work? Is it like an underblanket?

And what is the cost of a Softie 10?...

Hmm off to check prices of Magikelly / Wanderinstar system
 

British Red

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Okay for comparison purposes

Tatonka 3m x 3m sil nylon £33
Group Buy Hammock £19.30
Group Buy Quilt £48.67
Group Buy Underblanket ££57.84
Group But Insect Netting £18.30
10m climbing tape - £10

Total - £187.11

I reckon thats pretty good value when you bear in mind you don't need to buy the Softie or other sleeping bag etc. A softie 10 is what - £100?

I suppose you could shave weight off by removing the karabiners which are hefty, using a smaller tarp etc.

Red
 

wentworth

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So a HH with a proper sized tarp would be 2275g (just trying to compare apples with apples)

plus 1600g for a mat

plus 2020g for s softie 10

5895g all up

Magikelly / Wanderinstar system

4700g (which is basically down to not needing a mat)

I'd be interested in what other complete systems (not necessarily hammock systems) weigh in at (assuming 3 - 4 season use)

Red

My current settup:
Homemade hammock :approx 300g
JRB Stealth Quilt: 400g
8 x 10 Siltarp: 450g
Speer Underquilt: 900g

Total: 2050g
I've used this setup below zero with thermals and a beanie.

Or if I were to use my insulated down hammock:

Downhammock: 550g
JRB Stealth Quilt: 400g
8 x10 Siltarp: 450g

Total: 1400g
 

Martyn

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Tarp (3m x 3m sil nylon Tatonka 2), hammock, 4 pegs, mozzi net, 2 x 5m tapes and 2 karabiners weigh 2450g

Underblanket weighs 1250 g

Quilt just over 1000g

Red

Thanks Red. So total is 4.7kg or 10.3lbs.

A competent 3 season ground system for reference...

Aussie basha 650g
Thermarest prolite3 3/4 400g
Ajungilak bivvi bag 420g
Snugpak softie 6 1100g
Group buy skeeter net (??? but around 500g at a guess)

Total is 3.07kg or 6.7lb (assuming my skeeter net guess is on the money).
 

Tadpole

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Thanks Red. So total is 4.7kg or 10.3lbs.

A competent 3 season ground system for reference...

Aussie basha 650g
Thermarest prolite3 3/4 400g
Ajungilak bivvi bag 420g
Snugpak softie 6 1100g
Group buy skeeter net (??? but around 500g at a guess)

Total is 3.07kg or 6.7lb (assuming my skeeter net guess is on the money).


Why is everything turned in to a competition? Who’s the biggest, who’s the longest, who has the lightest kit for sleeping? :(

Mine I suspect, as all I use in summer is a silk sleeping bag liner and a 10mm foam mattress, on the ground under a tarp. I freeze to death almost everynight but it fits in my coffee mug, I'm a hard core ultralightweighter (only not) :p
 
So how does the Hennessy 4 season system work? Is it like an underblanket?

And what is the cost of a Softie 10?...

Hmm off to check prices of Magikelly / Wanderinstar system

softie 10 looks to be £80-£100 ish

the 4 season is basically an under slung tarp and a foam pad for insulation which you can add other stuff if you want ie jacket or spruce branches /leaves
and an over cover that seals the Mossi net to retain heat it does have a vent hole

http://www.hennessyhammock.com/setupvidoeos.html

vids 4,5,6,7 from above show its use and are the only pictures that show the under pad
Which looks to me to be a little thin :eek:

http://www.hennessyhammock.com/reflector.html
this is what they are claiming which looks a little umm stretched to me

if i haddent got a HH i would buy the group buy stuff

Tadpole said:
Why is everything turned in to a competition? Who’s the biggest, who’s the longest, who has the lightest kit for sleeping? :(

Mine I suspect, as all I use in summer is a silk sleeping bag liner and a 10mm foam mattress, on the ground under a tarp. I freeze to death almost everynight but it fits in my coffee mug, I'm a hard core ultralightweighter (only not) :p
Today 03:14

nope not competative (well not from me ) its interesting to compare (if you like that sort of thing i do unfortunatly :27: :22: )
and this post will geta lot of poeple looking and hopfully the info will help them decide with all the facts


ATB

Duncan
 

Martyn

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Why is everything turned in to a competition? Who’s the biggest, who’s the longest, who has the lightest kit for sleeping? :(

Mine I suspect, as all I use in summer is a silk sleeping bag liner and a 10mm foam mattress, on the ground under a tarp. I freeze to death almost everynight but it fits in my coffee mug, I'm a hard core ultralightweighter (only not) :p
It's not a competition. The hammock system is a different sleep system and there are pros and cons. Bulk and weight is a factor. The pro's of the system are well documented, but there is little comment on pack size and weight of the full kit which are important to backpackers particularly. That seems worth noting does it not? I havent yet seen people mention the actual weight of the kit, but I have heard people mention that the full kit is bulky and fairly weighty. That's not important to some people, but it is to others. I asked for the weight though, because I have been considering getting a hammock, but am concerned about these issues. I wanted some numbers for comparison. If it's not a factor for you, that's fine, but it is something I consider and it may be important to others too. :)

There are negatives to consider. Firstly you need trees - you can use the system without trees, but it is designed as a hammock and works best when used as one. It's more complicated to erect and when you are in it, it's not so convenient to get out for a pee or to make a midnight brew. You are also pretty much cocooned, some prefer greater visibility. They are not as convenient for "sitting on" when you are not "sleeping in" and they are not so good for use near a fire and you need a bigger tarp because of the off-the-ground exposure. You pretty much need an underblanket apart from in the hight of summer, because of wind chill cooling yer bum and it does seem like their might be a bulk and weight penalty with the system.
 
I have a henny hammock and the group buy under blanket fits on it with no problems .
Pumbaa

what part of a Dorset any chance of a look see :D or photos fitted


on the spotter side
the Tarp i have as an extra is the UK issue Cammo and is 3.6m x 2.2m and 910 gms
i was told its slightly bigger ntan the OG older version ??????

Martyn if you want light weight HH do competition racing versions howver they do have a lower weight rating and im on the top end of the std one now :eek: :sulkoff:

AATB

Duncan
 

British Red

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Valid points all Martyn (which is why I posted the weights in reply to your question).

My personal take is that I don't find it a bulky or heavy system when compared to the weight and bulk of a tent plus mat plus sleeping bag. - 4.5kg to cover all of that is not bad at all and the bulk of a good mat alone is considerable.

The Tree point is well made but is countered for me by the ability to sleep on slopes withoud sliding around all night!

I agree you need the underblanket but you can still sit on it quite comfortably (during the day the moz net is just wrapped around the ridge line and let down at night.

In terms of erection speed (;)), I found garden practice was helpful (those trees in the pictures are in my garden). Once I had everything adjusted right, its just 4 knots and 4 pegs. The karabiners really help as the underblanket etc just "clips on". The fire point is true but I'm always careful round fire when bivvying too. Sparks and tarps don't mix for me - cotton, pu or whatever!

Its not a silver bullet to me, but it is a good solution to some sites. I also have a bivi bag and thermarest which I combine with the tarp and moz net (and plan to use the quilt in) for those days when ground dwelling is best.

Hope that helps a bit

Red
 

Martyn

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Its not a silver bullet to me, but it is a good solution to some sites. I also have a bivi bag and thermarest which I combine with the tarp and moz net (and plan to use the quilt in) for those days when ground dwelling is best.

Hope that helps a bit

Red

It does Red, thanks. I'm not trying to create a competition, just weigh up the pros and cons. I do like the hammock system and have been tempted for a long time, but as you say, it's not a silver bullet. The comfort aspect appeals to me hugely, but I'd be talking about another 3lbs in weight over my current ground kit. That would buy me a pretty serious thermarest or I could switch to a canvas tarp and move closer to the fire. I do like camping by a fire and that option appeals to me a lot.

I also think that a hammock is probably better compared to a hooped bivvi than a full tent in terms of space etc. I have been looking at the eureka solitaire....

solitaire.jpg


At 3lbs all in it's very light. Obviously you need to add on the weight of a thermarest and sleeping bag, but it's syill competative.

This also took my attention for use with a tarp....

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The eureka one person military tent which weighs in at 1.5kg.
 

MagiKelly

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There are negatives to consider. Firstly you need trees - you can use the system without trees, but it is designed as a hammock and works best when used as one.

True. If you are going places where there are no trees hammocks are not really a viable option. You can do it but it is not the right system.

It's more complicated to erect

Erecting a hammock is more complicated than rolling out a bivi bag ;) but it is not much more complicated than finding a level site and setting up your tarp. In a wooded environment the saving in time finding a pitch alone would make the hammock quicker. Even ignoring this once you are used to the system we are taking an extra minute or two of work all of which will be under the tarp so it should not be a problem.

it's not so convenient to get out for a pee or to make a midnight brew.

Now is where I really start to disagree with you. Using an underblanket, getting up in the night is much easier than a bivi bag. In the hammock you throw back the blanket or sleeping bag covering you, swing your legs out and wander of for a pee. You can put your boots on if you feel the need. Similarly if you want to lean out and set a brew going you can. You can pull yourself up into a more sitting position to drink your brew or swing your legs over the edge of the hammock and sit enjoying the sights and your brew.

Hammocks may seem unstable and difficult to move about in but the truth is they are very stable and you will not struggle to get in and out. Using a sleeping bag and a thermarest in them can be more difficult but still not bad.

You are also pretty much cocooned, some prefer greater visibility..

You still get pretty good viability from a hammock. More so from the group buy style than the HH. If you are lying at an angle in the hammock you are flatter and should not really be cocooned.

and they are not so good for use near a fire

Why? I have the fire in a firebox close enough that with a bit of a swing i can place wood into it. Certainly it is under the spread of my tarp so no farther than 1.5m from the centreline of the tarp. Plus in the hammock you are off the ground so get the heat of the fire better than being on the ground.

you need a bigger tarp because of the off-the-ground exposure.

I certainly think you need a longer tarp. 3 to 3,5m in length but Ray Mears uses a Hootchie with his. Seems too short to me but it can be done. I have to say I like bigger tarps though. I like a good sized living area when I am out and in Scotland rain is never far away so I need room to fit all my gear and be comfy.

You pretty much need an underblanket apart from in the hight of summer, because of wind chill cooling yer bum

A thermarest will do fine. With a thermarest and a hammock you are as warm as being on the ground and 10 times more comfy;) . With an underblanket you are as warm and a 100 times more comfy :D but you will get on fine with the thermarest in your sleeping bag. I have hammocked at -6 with a thermarest in my sleeping bag and was fine and warm.

it does seem like their might be a bulk and weight penalty with the system.

This really depends on what you want comfort wise. For a ground based bivi, mat, sleeping bag and tarp you just need to substitute the bivi bag with a hammock and tape to change system. Of course if you want more comfort you might want a bigger tarp and an underbalnket but if you want more comfort on the ground you will get a thicker full length mat and a bigger tarp as well.

I am not having a go at Martyn. Hammocks are certainly not for all or for all conditions but there are some misconceptions out there.

Easiest solution is for Martyn to come up here and I will take him for a paddle and an overnight in hammocks. that way not only will he never go to ground again but he will buy himself the canoe he needs to finish kitting out that Defender of his properly :p
 

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