Survival tin --- what should a good one contain?

[Squidders]

Martyn, I already said I didn't post to rattle a cage... and I wasn't being snippy. Seriously. If you're not up for a discussion, fine... but don't dismiss me as being snippy to get rid of a simple debate with no weird other motives on my part.

Also, you might be right in that the police wouldn't take it further, but I still think they would if you were in the wrong place for a saw.

Toddy I was going on the information you gave i'm affraid, you did use the word generally and you did use hand bag without indicating it was your forraging handbag... of course I would understand that to be an every day handbag for going shopping and to the pub. It's like me saying I keep a bunch of swords in my car at all times generally... then later qualifying it by saying, oh I only use that car to go to martial arts training, the rest of the time it's locked up.

 

[Ozhaggishead]

Hi,

I want to make myself a survival tin but am unsure as to what to put in the tin?

Any ideas very welcome,

Cheers,

Toby

Perhaps some whisky!

 

[rcs]

Perhaps some whisky!

and a pipe

 

[rik_uk3]

The wife stopped my carrying a handbag, come to that, she stopped me wearing her dresses

 

[Toddy]

Joe is right though, on the other hand, I do wander with intent quite a lot so my handbag is usually tooled up. It's got so that I now keep bags for different places since the advent of the newer knife restrictions.

I was really more getting at the idea that one 'must' have a survival tin / pack. The best survival toolkit is the one you have with you at the time you need it. Don't diss the pockets and the handbags
It's not the first time I've howked up celandine bulbs or dandelion roots with the end of a tail comb because that's all I had in my bag.

cheers,
Toddy

 

[andy_e]

...And 'scuse me, but since when is it illegal to be carryiing a tool for it's intended purpose ??

... when it's a samurai sword and you're in the high street

 

[Squidders]

Joe is right though, on the other hand, I do wander with intent quite a lot so my handbag is usually tooled up. It's got so that I now keep bags for different places since the advent of the newer knife restrictions.

I was really more getting at the idea that one 'must' have a survival tin / pack. The best survival toolkit is the one you have with you at the time you need it. Don't diss the pockets and the handbags
It's not the first time I've howked up celandine bulbs or dandelion roots with the end of a tail comb because that's all I had in my bag.

cheers,
Toddy

I hope you know I wasn't having a dig or trying to be out of order... just didn't want the wrong impression to be given that going through life tooled up is ok.

Obviously with a good reason you can have any cutting tool you like. it's all about the context.

And yes, I'm a massive fan of pockets over survival tins... I imagine most peoples survival tins are going to be in peoples bags anyway with the rest of their kit. I don't need a tin because all my stuff is used a lot and still works when wet. I'm not saying don't get a tin, i'm just saying there is no right or wrong.

 

[Toddy]

Are they still legal to own though ? I know the laplander is

cheers,
M

 

[andy_e]

Are they still legal to own though ? I know the laplander is

cheers,
M

heheheh! I think you got me there Toddy

See you at Comrie

 

[Jared]

You'd have to be using a folding saw as a weapon for you to be charged with having an offensive weapon, I'm sure.

Much like if you starting clubbing people with an rolled up newspaper.

 

[andy_e]

You'd have to be using a folding saw as a weapon for you to be charged with having an offensive weapon, I'm sure.

Much like if you starting clubbing people with an rolled up newspaper.

It's OK m'lud it's the Daily Mail

 

[Martyn]

You'd have to be using a folding saw as a weapon for you to be charged with having an offensive weapon, I'm sure.

Much like if you starting clubbing people with an rolled up newspaper.

Exactly. You have to either be using something as a weapon, or show intent to use it as a weapon, for it to be called a weapon. If you are not using your laplander (or rolled up newspaper) as a weapon, then it is not a weapon.

There are a very few items in British law which are classed as an offensive weapon per-se. A folding laplander saw is NOT one of them.

 

[Ahjno]

To think in, or out, of the tin - that's the question.

Survival tins are OK. If you want to make one: go ahead! I have one, which I made up myself. Learnt alot. But to be honest, I never carry it. Overhere (dutch woods) there's really no need to. And in the event something happens, I'm prepared with the stuff I carry in my daypack (FAK, lunch, some means to light a fire, SAK, mobile phone (there are only a few areas overhere where you don't have any reception at all)).

If your not into tins, that's fine. You might carry a possibles pouch, or stuff kit in your pockets - it's all up to you.
You drink beer, I like red wine. My steak should be medium, yours could be well done or even rare.

Horses for courses.

Pikes for ponds.

Each to his (her) own.

Nowadays I use my tin to store those fiddly things and made it a washing tin: toothbrush & paste, personal medication, mirror, contactlens cleaning stuff & storage, soap, little comb, some plasters and some strike anywhere matches.

In the end one it's all about 1 thing: it's your kit, so you carry it (or not)!

Respect the opinion of members. Opinions varie as much as there are human beings on earth. We are all human beings, and with more than 10,000 members - there are a lot of opinions on this forum. As no human being is the same - the chance an opinion will be the same to another person is unlikely, but not impossible. Though never assume. Especially not on an internet forum. The written word is something completely different than spoken word, since it lacks any emotion.

 

[Squidders]

Given this, it's very wrong to scaremonger in such a way. The item is NOT illegal to carry and the reprimand you and Scott gave to Toddy was quite inappropriate - no agenda I hope?

Firstly Martyn, my post wasn't a reprimand... I, nor anyone else here is really in a position to do so (event the mods or Tony) because what someone does in the real world is governed by the laws of the real world, not this forum.

My post was a warning to others that, as Toddys post read, keeping a laplander in your "handbag" all the time is a very bad idea indeed...

As it later turned out, Toddys handbag that contained the laplander wasn't even a handbag in the usual sense but one she reserves for forraging while out and about. Making my initial assumptions based on innacurate information... so I changed what I was saying to reflect that. I'm not beyond being wrong and I don't really have any kind of expectation or bizzare need to always be right or have people falling at my feet (not referring to you Martyn, just generalising).

And the word agenda crops up a lot with some people... seems that if a number of people think the same way it's an agenda but if another group of people have any kind of counter argument it's perfectly ok. I'm not part of this weird conspiracy, nor will I be - so from this point on, if I agree with someone, it's begause I agree with them, if I disagree it's because I actually do... not because of some weird counter-intelligent loyalty. Just thought that should be known because writing my point of view off in the name of a made up agenda that doesn't exist is a bit insulting.

 

[Martyn]

And the word agenda crops up a lot with some people... seems that if a number of people think the same way it's an agenda but if another group of people have any kind of counter argument it's perfectly ok. I'm not part of this weird conspiracy, nor will I be - so from this point on, if I agree with someone, it's begause I agree with them, if I disagree it's because I actually do... not because of some weird counter-intelligent loyalty. Just thought that should be known because writing my point of view off because of a made up agenda that doesn't exist is a bit insulting.

Point well noted. I apologise for including you in that reference.

 

[xylaria]

i reckon i could start fire with contents of the average handbag. i have never much been one carrying one but the inside of most handbags have good supply of tissues and reciepts, plus the odd gas powered hair styler. mind you my standard pocket rubbish is tissues and lighter. the best survival tool is what is in your head, but that doesn't mean you should tread up ben nevis in jeans with nought but a mobile phone.

i often pick up useful bits of wood and stuff on the way home from the school run or shops. i have done the school run with a axe in my pocket, a bit silly of me really as chubby middle age women have such a bad reputation for been axe wielding maniacs. my demographic regularly get stopped and searched you know. but then this thread about pocket kits, so i don't want take the thread off topic because i am one of the types that comes around to pick fights over stupid points that are completely irrelevant to original thread. in fact i am of the opinion that people that do pick rows over stupid points must have some other motive than simply making their daft point, so generally should be completely ignored.



[my cat has broke my keyboard, the full stops work now but not the cap shift]

 

[Jared]

I do wonder if you don't have permission of the land owner, and start picking up deadwood whether having a saw would cause a "going equipped" type charge to be added as well as the theft. But that's just landing yourself in deeper do-do rather than being illegal to carry a saw.

 

[Squidders]

you could always claim you weren't taking the wood, just moving it about and needed the saw for the large bits to make your moving job easier.

...or get permission.

 

[Martyn]

I do wonder if you don't have permission of the land owner, and start picking up deadwood whether having a saw would cause a "going equipped" type charge to be added as well as the theft. But that's just landing yourself in deeper do-do rather than being illegal to carry a saw.

It'd be a bit of a stretch mate. The "going equipped to steal" law is usually in reference to breaking and entering and involves a degree of premeditation for committing a crime.

I cant remember the exact wording of the law, but I think it would be difficult to apply it to taking bits of wood off open land, even if it was private land.

 

[Martyn]

Here it is...

Section 25 Theft Act 1968

(1) A person shall be guilty of an offence if, when not at his place of abode, he has with him any article for use in the course of or in connection with any burglary, theft or cheat.

(3) Where a person is charged with an offence under this section, proof that he had with him any article made or adapted for use in committing a burglary, theft or cheat shall be evidence that he had it with him for such use.

Theft Act 1968