Small Portable Firebox/Stove

[scoops_uk]

Jon,

I was sending this in response to your PM, I hope you don't mind my posting it here instead...

Thank you for your comments, and first off I am pleased that we can have a reasonable discussion.

I am delighted that you liked my stove design and I am entirely happy for the stove to be made by others on a not for profit basis.

However, the stoves are clearly now being *marketed* on the Woodland Edge website as a commercial product.

Being "significantly different" is a matter of opinion and the UK Patent Office suggests that a design should "have individual character" and not "remind an informed person of an existing design". I do not believe that the woodland edge stove is sufficiently different to meet these criteria.

I have a clearly established and published prior claim to the intellectual property of this design. As does Mimblewill Nomad, who I duly credited, before me. You have conceded that you passed my design to Woodland Edge as a basis for their design. This should not have been done without my permission and without them being fully aware of the origins.

I believe their marketing of the product to be an infringement of my own (as we are in the UK and Nimblewill Nomad is not) design right, which provides an automatic 5 year protection and does not require registration.

However, bearing in mind the spirit of my original posting of my design on the forum I am happy to accept your apology.

This does still leave the problem of Woodland Edge and it is my intention to pursue the matter further as I now know this to be a commercial exercise on their part.

Regards,

Scoops_uk

 

[Beech Nut]

Scoops

i am getting the stove pulled from the site. last thing we want is a battle of design rights.
PM me your email address and I will get them to contact you if your happy.

Jon

 

[andyn]

Scoops, is not really any of my interest execpt i'd quiet like one of these stoves so would like to see the matter resolved. But can you link to which part of the UK patent office indicates what you are saying, as as far as i am aware a product design does not come under UK copyright laws but you would need a design patent. Just my two pence worth.

Like i said, im not trying to stir the issue but if anything would like to know how all budding designers can save themselves £60 by not filling for a patent.

 

[scoops_uk]

Hi Andy,

The Patent office link is here.

Without predjudice to any discussions I might have with Woodland Edge, I am primarily interested in some credit being given where credit is due, not cashing in.

As such, I see no reason why this matter can't be resolved quickly and amicably.

Jon, I will PM you my email address. Assuming Woodland Edge, like yourself, are reasonable sorts, don't worry about pulling the stove just yet. I imagine we would all like to avoid any uneccessary dispute.

Regards,

Scoops

 

[fred gordon]

I would be interested. Just what I've been looking for to replace the one I have, especially now that it takes the 12cm billy.

 

[mayfly]

I'd very much like one of these if this goes ahead.
Chris

 

[Beech Nut]

Folks

Keep registering your interest. Issues between Woodland Edge and Scoops will be resolved soon.

Jon

 

[Graham_S]

i'd like one too if this goes ahead.

 

[Gibbsy]

I would like to register my interest please...

 

[Neanderthal]

I was inspired by scoops excellent stove and detailed instructions so had a go at creating something similar.
However lacking any materials, tools or particular skills I offer this as an alternative perspective.

It is 'constructed' from tin cans from the recycle bin, cut with tin snips and hammered flat with a brick. I also drilled a few holes in it.

Seems to work OK though.

"It's not what you know, it's what you can make out of junk."

Stu

 

[Tengu]

Id like one too

 

[Geoffrey_Bubbles]

I too may well be interested in this.

How effective is it as a source of heat? Just wondered if it was too small for such a use.

That said it looks like a versatile piece of kit.

I'll keep an eye on what goes on here, but hope that any matters arising from this discussion can be settled in an amicable fashion.

Good work to all involved I say.

Geoff

 

[Torak]

Count me in. Cheers

 

[scoops_uk]

I was inspired by scoops excellent stove and detailed instructions so had a go at creating something similar.

Cheers Neanderthal. It's really good to see my efforts inspiring others to make their own kit

I'm interested to know how well the "can's" stand up to the heat?

I'd also like to thank everyone who has contacted me in support. I am pleased to report that discussions with Woodland Edge are positive and ongoing, I am hopeful we will soon reach an amicable agreement of benefit to everyone.

Scoops_uk

 

[bilko]

Hi Beech nut
I saw this briefly at the moot.
A few questions if i may. Will it come with any sort of stowage container to stop soot/dirt etc getting to the rest of your kit?
What exactly is the chimney for ?. Call me thick, i don't mind but when i saw it; it seemed to let the wood burn better but at the expense of space on an already small top surface. Good to see it's wider as it wouldn't take a small bily iirc.
Might be just what i'm looking for, for the lavvu when i cna't take the wood burner so i'm interested. It would be even better if it came with a tin for flatpacking though.

 

[Zammo]

Good on you scoops Woodland Edge have blatently ripped off your design and are now trying to cash in on it. Next time make sure you copyright your idea.

 

[Tony]

My hat of to you guys, I’ve been watching this with a finger over the close thread button and I’ve been impressed that you guys have just got on with sorting it out rather than it going down in flames. I hope that things do work out amicably for all and that people take note and copy some great forum conduct.

Thanks :You_Rock_

 

[scoops_uk]

Thanks Tony,

I am still concerned that something like this is avoided in the future.

Would it be possible to have a sticky thread at the top of the DIY and traditional crafts thread that refers to something like a GNU Open licence or similar and makes clear that all designs posted are covered by it's terms?

Regards,

Scoops

 

[andyn]

Scoops thanks for the link mate, not quite sure it all works as simple as I would mean no one would ever need to apply for patents and that but i dont think that matters, so hey ho. Anyway hopefully you get every thing sorted to your satisfaction with woodland edge.

Hi Beech nut
I saw this briefly at the moot.
A few questions if i may. Will it come with any sort of stowage container to stop soot/dirt etc getting to the rest of your kit?
What exactly is the chimney for ?. Call me thick, i don't mind but when i saw it; it seemed to let the wood burn better but at the expense of space on an already small top surface. Good to see it's wider as it wouldn't take a small bily iirc.
Might be just what i'm looking for, for the lavvu when i cna't take the wood burner so i'm interested. It would be even better if it came with a tin for flatpacking though.

The chimney acts in the same way that a house hold chimney will work. I'm not 100% sure of the science behind it myself. But basically from what i understand as it becomes hot it causes something called draft...this causes air to be sucked into it (I guess some kind of vacum is formed? ) which in turn causes the fire to burn hotter as the air is pulled across it, this heats the chimney up more and more draft is created sucking in even more air...and so it goes on. This is one of the reasons we suggested that some more air holes could have been advantagous as it would allow even more air to be drawn in.

Also from what Jon has been saying it will come with a bag to pack it into and won't be stored in a carrier bag like I had it in. LOL

 

[Silverback]

I am definitely up for one when and if an agreement is amicably reached by all parties concerned