Should We Eat Meat?

[santaman2000]

I thought most American spelling was 'designed' to make learning and writing English easier for immigrants in ye olde days?

That's certainly possible. Right after the revolution the vote making English the official language (over German) was a very close one. There were actually slightly more German colonists than English ones. That's where we got "Santa Clause." It was a gradual Americanization of the German "Santa Nicklause" (pronounced "Santa Neek-Clouse")

 

[wingstoo]

And he only turned Red because of Coca-Cola...Before that he was a Green man

 

[robin wood]

And he only turned Red because of Coca-Cola...Before that he was a Green man

No no he's that colour because he eats fly agarics, that's what makes his reindeer fly.

 

[Elen Sentier]

Great pic in the OP.



If production of lab meat is ramped up to an industrial level then I'd suggest that that will have a knock on effect to the environment in terms of water usage, waste materials etc. etc.

Meat has become a daily necessity to most in the 'first world' perhaps we should step back from that, every other day and to make more use of the whole animal rather than the Tesco 'food cubes' that so many bang into the microwave?

+1 to all that ... from a confirmed "good meat" eater .

 

[petrochemicals]

No no he's that colour because he eats fly agarics, that's what makes his reindeer fly.

you do know your into pagan territory there dont you ? More solstice than christmas ?

 

[Chiseller]

you do know your into pagan territory there dont you ? More solstice than christmas ?

Santa being a Christian interpretation of Odin

Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 4

 

[petrochemicals]

Santa being a Christian interpretation of Odin

Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 4

well I'll give you that with the magic power and the pointy hat. Jesus was born magically at the same time as the widely worshipped solstice ? Just like easter and various saints days, harvest festival, there is lots of crossovers.

 

[Gray]

Puts hairs on your chest, get it down yer neck

 

[mountainm]

All religions build on other older religions both theoretically and geographically. Its an easy way to aclimatise new converts.

 

[Countryman]

Whole subject makes me hungry. I'm off for a Bacon Sandwich.

 

[wingstoo]

well I'll give you that with the magic power and the pointy hat. Jesus was born magically at the same time as the widely worshipped solstice ? Just like easter and various saints days, harvest festival, there is lots of crossovers.

There is some doubt in my mind that TPTB would have called for a census in the middle of winter though, why do it at a time when it would be so difficult to get people to travel to the census gathering town when it would have been more logical to have done it during the late summer months like August, the nearest "festival" to August was then going to be Yule...

Talking of that time of year...Lots of chickens will be being bred to be despatched ready for that occasion very soon.

 

[Lou]

It seems that there is a lot of confusion about whether to eat meat or not nowadays. I have always been confused. I was vegetarian for 12 years but felt ill and then went paleo ( high meat and fat) for three years and felt even worse. If you look at this book
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Metabolic-T...6816807&sr=8-1&keywords=metabolic+typing+diet
you can find out what proportion of meat you need to be eating in your diet as, depending on where your ancestors originated from, you need a specific ratio of carbs fat and protein to make you perform to your best. I.e. People from arctic regions need high protein content, people from equatorial parts need high carb content. As a bushcrafter I LOVE this idea as it makes 100% sense; we are exquisitely tuned into our environment and habitat around us and must live off what we find in it to be healthy. Today, our genetic heritage has been so mixed up and we have such a wide variety of food available to us year round and in every climate that we need to dig a little deeper in order to find our type. Last year I saw a metabolic typist to find out what my type was, it is the carb type, the two others are the protein type and mixed type. I still need to eat meat, but light non fatty meat such as white fish and chicken. Protein types need to eat heavier meat such as steak and sausages to feel well and mixed types must eat light and heavy meat in equal proportions.

Once you start to read up about it and realise that everyone needs an individual diet ranging from vegan to paleo, then it all makes so much sense. Reading 'Nutrition and Physical Degeneration' by Weston A. Price is another fascinating read. You can find it online if you google it.

 

[Countryman]

There is some doubt in my mind that TPTB would have called for a census in the middle of winter though, why do it at a time when it would be so difficult to get people to travel to the census gathering town when it would have been more logical to have done it during the late summer months like August, the nearest "festival" to August was then going to be Yule...

Talking of that time of year...Lots of chickens will be being bred to be despatched ready for that occasion very soon.

Guys. The early Christian Church assimilated lots of things in other faiths. Recognising the deep need for a celebration at the darkest point of the year, formally Beltain to the Pagans it moved its brightest feast to that time.

Christ wasn't born on December 25th. It's not disputed by the Church. Good though isn't it?

 

[mountainm]

I predict imminent thread closure... but...

 

[rik_uk3]

Can't we leave religion out of what has been a good natured thread ?

 

[wingstoo]

Can't we leave religion out of what has been a good natured thread ?

Nothing to do with Religion Rik, more to do with mythical beliefs...

More animals are killed to "celebrate" these events these days than in the past as well.

 

[mountainm]

Can't we leave religion out of what has been a good natured thread ?

Just demonstrating how traditions are reinforced over the ages. I believe its all historical fact that those were commonly held beliefs about those individuals. Mythical or not. History. Not religion.

 

[bigbear]

Back to the OP, we have gradually changed our diet to be less meat and fish but good quality, I see no point in eating factory farmed mush like I guess many folks on here. It's just healthier and an easy way of eating. We are by and large I suppose folk who care about those issues so as a sample of the population will pretty unrepresentative.
I guess that growing up on a farm I was always into good quality meat. I feel sorry for folk who cannot afford, or cannot see how they can make choices to afford, decent quality food, yes it's an issue of educating them but nobody is doing it. I look at what kids in my school are taught about food and its pitiful, the only good bit of food science in the curriculum has been dropped and organic/sustainable/animal welfare gets barely a mention.

 

[santaman2000]

Just demonstrating how traditions are reinforced over the ages. I believe its all historical fact that those were commonly held beliefs about those individuals. Mythical or not. History. Not religion.

Well not entirely. Countryman pointed out that originally Christianity didn't claim any particular date as Jesus' birthday but later adopted Dec 25th from another religion. I was taught it was adopted from the Roman holiday Saturnalia rather than Solstice though; hence the further adoption of the practice of celebrating by bringing evergreens boughs inside (a practice which evolved into the current Christmas Tree)

And yes certain themes seem to appear in more than one religion. The story of the flood appears in several as well.

 

[santaman2000]

well I'll give you that with the magic power and the pointy hat. Jesus was born magically at the same time as the widely worshipped solstice ? Just like easter.....

The date for Easter is tied to the Jewish Passover. Although the name "Easter" seems to be tied to a German Pagan holiday of about the same date. As does the custom of Easter Eggs.