Selling banned U.K knives on Ebay?

[Erbswurst]

I guess it's cheaper to send knives to Germany.

Normal knives till 12 cm blade length are legal to carry there.
Full tang or locking folders doesn't matter. But no one hand knives!

 

[Erbswurst]

This are the biggest bushcraft forums in Germany:

https://www.bushcraft-deutschland.de/

https://bushcraft-germany.com/

https://bushcraft-freunde.de/index.php?herzlich-willkommen/

The biggest normal german outdoor forum is this here:

https://www.outdoorseiten.net/forum/

 

[robevs73]

Most of these can be purchased from a well known Chinese discount website, and that's a fact.

[QUOTE="Toddy, post: 1892205,

Banned knives and weapons
It is illegal to bring into the UK, sell, hire, lend or give anyone the following:

• butterfly knives (also known as ‘balisongs’) - a blade hidden inside a handle that splits in the middle
• disguised knives - a blade or sharp point hidden inside what looks like everyday objects such as a buckle, phone, brush or lipstick
• flick knives (also known as ‘switchblades’ or ‘automatic knives’) - a blade hidden inside a handle which shoots out when a button is pressed
• gravity knives
• stealth knives - a knife or spike not made from metal (except when used at home, for food or a toy)
• zombie knives - a knife with a cutting edge, a serrated edge and images or words suggesting it is used for violence
• swords, including samurai swords - a curved blade over 50cm (with some exceptions, such as antiques and swords made to traditional methods before 1954)
• sword-sticks - a hollow walking stick or cane containing a blade
• push daggers
• blowpipes (‘blow gun’)
• telescopic truncheons - extend automatically by pressing button or spring in the handle
• batons - straight, side-handled or friction-lock truncheons
• hollow kubotans - a cylinder-shaped keychain holding spikes
• shurikens (also known as ‘shaken’, ‘death stars’ or ‘throwing stars’)
• kusari-gama - a sickle attached to a rope, cord or wire
• kyoketsu-shoge - a hook-knife attached to a rope, cord or wire
• kusari (or ‘manrikigusari’) - a weight attached to a rope, cord, wire
• hand or foot-claws
• knuckledusters

[/QUOTE]

 

[Fadcode]

I was having a think about these new laws if they come in, we wont be able to post a knife to a residential address, now I see a few problems with that, for instance, most custom knives nowadays are sent by RMSD mainly to make sure they get there and they are insured, well if these new laws do come in there would be no point in sending a knife by RMSD, because it won't be delivered to the buyer directly, I doubt whether Royal Mail will allow you to use Special Delivery or recorded,as they won't insure it if its going to a third party,(unless they actually do the delivery and checking of age, etc)
Does anybody else see this as a problem?, So it is going to make it very difficult when sending an expensive knife out to someone, and having confidence that it will actually get there, and insuring it, without a prohibitive cost..

There are a few exceptions to these new rules, and mainly they only cover residential addresses, so someone who runs a business from their home could still receive knives at their residential address without any age checks........( this may need verifying)

I also think there will be an exception to "custom knives", what is a custom knife?

I also wonder what the response by HM Customs will be to imported knives, as these will be addressed to the buyer at their home address, how will HMC redirect it via a 3rd party for age verification, if the initial carrier wont carry out this service...

It would have been a lot simpler in my opinion if the Government insisted that all knives were sent by RMSD, and were picked up at the local sorting office, where you had to show ID to prove your age and your address.
(the reason this can't happen, is that Royal Mail is now a private Co, and the Government cannot show favouritism to one firm.........even if they are the only ones that do Registered Delivery.....as such....)

Regarding selling knives on the US Ebay site, you have to take into account, the selling fees, the Paypal Fees, and the change of currency fees, which can amount to a fair bit.

 

[Janne]

I am not a lawyer Forest fella,, but if you own knives (or other implements) that are illegal as per Law, maybe you should hand them in to the Police?

 

[Corso]

Most of these can be purchased from a well known Chinese discount website, and that's a fact.

Of course you can them selling it to you isn't illegal where they are.

 

[Corso]

I was having a think about these new laws if they come in, we wont be able to post a knife to a residential address, now I see a few problems with that, for instance, most custom knives nowadays are sent by RMSD mainly to make sure they get there and they are insured, well if these new laws do come in there would be no point in sending a knife by RMSD, because it won't be delivered to the buyer directly, I doubt whether Royal Mail will allow you to use Special Delivery or recorded,as they won't insure it if its going to a third party,(unless they actually do the delivery and checking of age, etc)
Does anybody else see this as a problem?, So it is going to make it very difficult when sending an expensive knife out to someone, and having confidence that it will actually get there, and insuring it, without a prohibitive cost..

There are a few exceptions to these new rules, and mainly they only cover residential addresses, so someone who runs a business from their home could still receive knives at their residential address without any age checks........( this may need verifying)

I also think there will be an exception to "custom knives", what is a custom knife?

I also wonder what the response by HM Customs will be to imported knives, as these will be addressed to the buyer at their home address, how will HMC redirect it via a 3rd party for age verification, if the initial carrier wont carry out this service...

It would have been a lot simpler in my opinion if the Government insisted that all knives were sent by RMSD, and were picked up at the local sorting office, where you had to show ID to prove your age and your address.
(the reason this can't happen, is that Royal Mail is now a private Co, and the Government cannot show favouritism to one firm.........even if they are the only ones that do Registered Delivery.....as such....)

Regarding selling knives on the US Ebay site, you have to take into account, the selling fees, the Paypal Fees, and the change of currency fees, which can amount to a fair bit.

Don't quote me but on another forum this has been posted

Just got this from "Bushcraft magazine.com":


Luke Bullock* has sent us an update following his recent article on changes to UK knife law: "As a follow up to my article last year, the government have now finalised the offensive weapons bill (delivery ban to residential address’) and it only has to go through the usual formalities for a bill in the UK to become law.

Thanks to the efforts of a group of both Sheffield MPs and knife manufacturers, an amendment was tabled on the last day of the bill which allows us to continue to deliver knives to residential address’.

To help reduce knife crime we will now be required to use an age verified delivery service which is currently only available from UPS. However, a contact in the Royal Mail told me they are also looking at offering the service in the near future.

So you can all continue to buy the tools you need to conduct your hobbies without travelling to an access point or becoming a criminal in the eyes of the law. It may lead to a slight increase in delivery prices, but overall we think this is a small win for our customers.

We expect the bill to come into effect within the next 6 months and we’re fully prepared for it. Moreover, we really hope it does reduce knife crime in the UK.

Luke"


*Luke runs Springfields Army Surplus, and posts lots of knives!

 

[Fadcode]

That sounds promising, thanks for the update.

 

[santaman2000]

The bigger question being; is this the last of restrictions? Or will it get tighter still in a few years? I’m guessing the latter.

 

[Toddy]

If the teenagers stop murdering each other with knives, then maybe
There's a rash of 'knife crime' in the UK just now. It has come at a bad time, tbh.
Right enough, there's no 'good' time for knife crime, but when the law changes are in the public eye, this isn't helping one bit.

It's bad enough that I'm reluctant to have one in use anywhere around people I don't know, and I'm getting awfully good at foraging, etc., just using pruners.

M

 

[Forest fella]

Yeah, I've been Thinking of handing it in to the police for sometime now, but it's a very rare knife to get in the U.K now a day's and worth £350 or more, I no that's no excuse but it's locked-up in a gun safe and never leaves the house.

 

[Janne]

Hand it in. The value in UK is zero, as it is illegal.
You will feel better when it is gone.

 

[Corso]

It wont matter with the new regs - if its on the banned list the proposal is you will no longer be able to own it and to abide by the law will need to surrender it.

Only exemption I can see so far is Museums - if it has any historical significance you could see if one wants it - difficult to tell without more info

There was talk of some sort of compensation scheme but I've not read anything official nor what the rate would be

 

[petrochemicals]

For anyone who hasnt heard, the buying of knives isnt a problem if you are of the mind to go stabbing someone.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47507937

 

[santaman2000]

If the teenagers stop murdering each other with knives, then maybe
There's a rash of 'knife crime' in the UK just now. It has come at a bad time, tbh.
Right enough, there's no 'good' time for knife crime, but when the law changes are in the public eye, this isn't helping one bit.

It's bad enough that I'm reluctant to have one in use anywhere around people I don't know, and I'm getting awfully good at foraging, etc., just using pruners.

M

Yes. We could do away with a lot of laws altogether IF! If people would simply stop killing each other. I’m not holding my breath while waiting for that though. Nor do I expect this law will change it. We couldn’t keep knives away from inmates and we strip searched them regularly.

 

[Janne]

I have been thinking about Toddy's 'using pruners' bit, and I have realized that for 99% of the tasks I have ever done, quality pruners will be fine.
Those or an implement I would fashion using them.

 

[santaman2000]

I have been thinking about Toddy's 'using pruners' bit, and I have realized that for 99% of the tasks I have ever done, quality pruners will be fine.
Those or an implement I would fashion using them.

But how easily can you carry a pair of pruners in your pocket.

 

[Janne]

Leather holster type, on the belt.

I ow a couple totally useless garden shears/scissors, and one superb one, Made In Switzerland.
I think they are called 'bypass' type?

Of course you would need to learn how to use them for the needed tasks.

Anyway, we are off-topicking.

Forest Fella, what kind of blade is it? One of those awesome WW1 trench knifes with knuckle duster inbuilt?
( I have always wanted an Austrian one)

 

[Forest fella]

No, It's a Microtec ''Mini'' Scarab knife I think, to be honest like I said I haven't had it out of the box / gun safe for year's

 

[Toddy]

I have been thinking about Toddy's 'using pruners' bit, and I have realized that for 99% of the tasks I have ever done, quality pruners will be fine.
Those or an implement I would fashion using them.

Sometimes you have to think outside the box, but for 'most' things, I get by with the pruners, and just keep my knives for in my garden and craftwork.
It's not ideal, but the villages that I grew up in are now very much suburbia, and there's just too many folk.

I have an assortment of pruners, the ones with the ratchet thingie will cut through a branch as thick as a brush shaft, so it's do-able even if it's not ideal.

M