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rik_uk3

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I'm guessing here but I believe under 'normal' circumstances this thread may well have been locked by now. Play nice kiddies.
 

santaman2000

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Locked on what grounds Rik? We're all certainly opinionated but I haven't seen anything political, religious, or insulting to each other. Am I missing something? And I'm genuinely asking, not being facetious.
 

Swallow

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Perhaps because Rik sees it as falling the wrong side of this?

You are clearly new to forums, I've seen my favourite forum bought to its knees because there was and is little or no moderation and members were and are allowed to run amok, fancy seeing that here? No, I'm sure you don't. Another bushcraft forum allowed the 'lads' to vent/pretty much use language of choice and that forum is all but finished now with only a small handful of posts made per week which is a shame as it had a lot of good members who just walked away.

Whilst I think BCUK has been over moderated in the past, this last year things seems to have balanced out and there appears to be far less direct intervention in threads than there were.

We can all get into a heated mood (done that here myself lol) but sometimes it needs someone to say "slow down, enough already" because the spin off from allowing 'free speech' is people just walking away and leaving the angry and opinionated few to run the place.

There ends the sermon.
 

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It did all get rather intense over a comment about the blinkers the bottled water industry were foisting on people, didn't it ?

Santaman we disagree, but then we often do. Socio-economic conditions are a world wide phenomena, but changing them is a political (and often religious) hotbed and the USA example is one that many choose not to follow.......there now, that's stirred up another hornet's nest :rolleyes:.....and no I don't mean those hellish things that are killing folks. Everyone's entitled to an opinion though, and while I may disagree with what you say, I would defend your right to say it without being assaulted, imprisoned, summarily executed, transported or shunned.....can't say the same for elsewhere in the world though.
'Too many children' is often given as the reason for poverty, but in traditional agrarian societies, children are working wealth for a family.....problem is that all those children also end up with children......
Balance, how do we encourage a balance ?

Richard, thank you for your mellow intervention :) I think we're still playing nicely, no one's thrown the rattle out of the pram yet, and we're keeping the right side of the political/religious discussion avoidance thing, so far.
The reminder is timely though :D
If you feel it's a concern, I will ask another Mod to have a nosey since I am rooted in the thread.

I'm off to suss out how to make a dirndle, finish up the photos for the bushshirt, and probably put the kettle on again :D

cheers,
M
 

santaman2000

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It did all get rather intense over a comment about the blinkers the bottled water industry were foisting on people, didn't it ?.....

I'm not sure we're getting intense about that. At least I haven't sensed it. I actually agree with your sentiment that companies often shape demand and research as such. But my concern in this case was that the current recommendations predate said bottled water industry's very existence by decades. TBH said industry's entire ad campaigns have hinged not on the amount of water they say we should be drinking, but rather on their ability to make the public question the safety of other water sources.
 

santaman2000

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Did you watch the video Mary, go to the bit about water consumption and tell us what you think.

Help us here Rik. I'd love to watch it but unfortunately you've posted a full length documentary and I really don't have that much spare time. Please tell us where to forward to for the most relevant bits?
 

santaman2000

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......'Too many children' is often given as the reason for poverty, but in traditional agrarian societies, children are working wealth for a family.....problem is that all those children also end up with children......
Balance, how do we encourage a balance ? ....


Agree with your points here Mary. Sorry if I was unclear but I didn't mean that the overpopulation (high birth rates) was causing poverty (though in some areas it might) Rather I meant the opposite, that the high poverty was contributing to the high birth rates.

Yes I fully understand the situation in the agrarian cultures; but, while many of these areas are agrarian, many aren't.
 

rik_uk3

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Help us here Rik. I'd love to watch it but unfortunately you've posted a full length documentary and I really don't have that much spare time. Please tell us where to forward to for the most relevant bits?

As I said in my original post

"Go to 28m 20s into the video where the amount of water needed in the war is discussed in detail."
 

xylaria

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Did you watch the video Mary, go to the bit about water consumption and tell us what you think.

I watched the bit on water consumption. In the dessert drinking plently of water will prevent illness, but at what point do you start flushing out electrolytes. I now dont drink straight water when cycling but a dilute flavoured energy drink with calcium magnesium potassium ans sodium ions. I feel less thirsty drinking it than I did drinking water.
 

santaman2000

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I watched the bit on water consumption. In the dessert drinking plently of water will prevent illness, but at what point do you start flushing out electrolytes. I now dont drink straight water when cycling but a dilute flavoured energy drink with calcium magnesium potassium ans sodium ions. I feel less thirsty drinking it than I did drinking water.

Short answer is you're always flushing out electrolytes. What's relevant is how well are you replacing them. In the case of deployed military eating field rations, that replacement comes very quickly indeed. But a liter an hour could easily overwhelm the replacements if it's continued for a long duration.
 

Pete11

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Excellent debate.

My take is a simple one, we are all different and , as such, require different levels of intake.

Another take I have is this, after the war for oil, it will be war for water , sadly.

Pete
 

boatman

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Interesting thread as I remember being lambasted for suggestion that over watering while camping and hiking was unnecessary. Agree with you Toddy and my Dad who was in the Eight Army would have agreed with you although of course the water ration could be more generous at times especially when they adopted the "jerrican" rather than leaky water carrying tins.

One of his stories: they used to brew up on a sand filled metal drum soaked in petrol. If more heat was required a bully beef tin of petrol was thrown onto the sand. An officer one day thought this looked like fun and asked to have a go. He then threw the tin of petrol neatly into the billycan of water brewing for their tea. Said officer made himself very scarce.
 

rik_uk3

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Short answer is you're always flushing out electrolytes. What's relevant is how well are you replacing them. In the case of deployed military eating field rations, that replacement comes very quickly indeed. But a litre an hour could easily overwhelm the replacements if it's continued for a long duration.


"But a litre an hour could easily overwhelm the replacements if it's continued for a long duration" Depends completely on the situation that amount is being drunk.

The IDF did the litre an hour for a long time with no ill effects, you've not watched that clip yet have you.
 

Clouston98

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A litre an hour seems a lot too me? I personally don't drink a lot when backpacking or canoeing, it's the thirsty work like splitting when I really start drinking.
 

boatman

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I would regularly walk more than twenty miles over the Wiltshire Downs on one ex-army two pint water bottle which was often not nearly empty at the end. No dizziness etc but thirsty at end of the walk which was very pleasant. My dog would do the same with the odd slurp from puddle or something.
 

rik_uk3

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A litre an hour seems a lot too me? I personally don't drink a lot when backpacking or canoeing, it's the thirsty work like splitting when I really start drinking.

Do you go hiking in 40c heat carrying a 20kg pack and rifle? Remember, when you feel thirsty your already dehydrated.

The thread seems split with those who think its OK to run their body on fumes and those panicking about depleting body salts :banghead:
 

Swallow

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Santaman we disagree, but then we often do. Socio-economic conditions are a world wide phenomena, but changing them is a political (and often religious) hotbed and the USA example is one that many choose not to follow.......there now, that's stirred up another hornet's nest :rolleyes:.....and no I don't mean those hellish things that are killing folks. Everyone's entitled to an opinion though, and while I may disagree with what you say, I would defend your right to say it without being assaulted, imprisoned, summarily executed, transported or shunned.....can't say the same for elsewhere in the world though.
'Too many children' is often given as the reason for poverty, but in traditional agrarian societies, children are working wealth for a family.....problem is that all those children also end up with children......
Balance, how do we encourage a balance ?

At 34.55 on the video I put up, over the space of three and half minutes David Attenborough puts forward the idea that where women are well educated the birth rate falls automatically. The support of this idea comes from an area of India where this is happening compared to other areas where it isn't.

It's put forward widely by charities that Education happens when the basics like water and food are taken care of.

The graph below (if accurate) lends itself to that idea.

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xylaria

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ahh forget it.

none of us have every been in the isreali army no are likely to join up. Getting cramp and headaches from not drinking or eating right while been active is more normal. It is horses for courses, some body need a lot of water, some dont.
 

Swallow

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Do you go hiking in 40c heat carrying a 20kg pack and rifle? Remember, when you feel thirsty your already dehydrated.

The thread seems split with those who think its OK to run their body on fumes and those panicking about depleting body salts :banghead:

There's about 100 posts on here but probably less than 15 people posting, I think 3 or 4 of them agree with you.
 

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