My survival kit, what else do i need?

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sunndog

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It's all a bit of a blur now but i think i'm to blame there.

My point all along was that gram for gram a decent insulation layer would be a better option if hypothermia is a worry on a unexpected night on a mountainside.

If it's cold wet day out in the hills then i'm usually wearing a baselayer, a mid layer fleece and i'll have a waterproof jacket and trousers with me.
For stops possible emergencies i will throw in a down pullover in as well as my usual FAK, emergency bivvy bag etc.

I'm confident that if i wear my baselayer, fleece, down jacket and waterproof jacket i won't be cold even at -5c.
-10c i might need to do some star jumps, sit ups etc to get the blood flowing and warm up me up.


I'm not confident that a cup of tea would see me through a night of -5c temps IF i replaced my down jacket with a stove, fuel, lighter, tea bags/coffee and water.

The is also the question that IF an emergency occurred that necessitated a unexpected night on the mountainside, if i replaced my down jacket with a stove etc would i have the dexterity to light it, would i want to leave the shelter of my bivvy bag to boil the water and more importantly COULD i boil the water outside the shelter of my bivvy bag.

Might sound far fetched but i've had it before where the weather was THAT bad i couldn't get my trangia to light even after taking shelter in a natural cove.

I don't think anyone is disagreeing that given the choice between spending a unexpected night out with a cuppa, or a unexpected night out without a cuppa, a cuppa of anything warm would be grand, no if's but's or maybe's.

In my eyes the disagreement is over the fact that it's a risky plan to RELY on a cuppa to get through a cold wet night.
Far better to have enough insulation with you.
The side disagreement is even IF you chose to rely on a cuppa to get you through the night, can you find the water, fuel to make one, and even IF you have the fuel/water do you have the dexterity?


you're just making the same point again mate. Who said they would rely on a brew to survive the night?
who said it had to be a brew OR enough clothes?.....enough clothes is a given in my eyes, if you are going stalking you should be prepared for periods of inactivity as a normal part of the day
 

cbr6fs

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you're just making the same point again mate. Who said they would rely on a brew to survive the night?
who said it had to be a brew OR enough clothes?.....enough clothes is a given in my eyes, if you are going stalking you should be prepared for periods of inactivity as a normal part of the day

Didn't really want to repeat myself, i just wanted to clarify my point which was:

gram for gram a decent insulation layer would be a better option if hypothermia is a worry on a unexpected night on a mountainside.
 

mrcharly

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But I think the point is that those who are pro hot drink (me included) are talking about it IN ADDITION to having a shelter and appropriate clothing

This.
A micro-brew kit can be pretty small and light. Hypothermia is cooling of the body core - it if has started, then warm clothing alone is not going to stop things from getting worse. Your body won't even cope with digesting food.
A warm drink will give some heat back to the core. Give your body enough energy to cope with digesting food. Then you might have enough energy to move around.

To all the people poo-pooing the importance I'm putting on the ability to boil water, go and read 'Touching the Void', including the last chapter where they do a post mortem on why things went wrong.
 

bambodoggy

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go and read 'Touching the Void', including the last chapter where they do a post mortem on why things went wrong.

I've read the book and seen the film, I also know several people who know Joe personally....the point you're making relative to this thread is very on the ball....but....as a BMC qualified MIA I would say in my personal opinion, there were plenty of other things that "went wrong" to create the situation that happened....not to mention a healthy dose of bad luck :) Bit off topic but an interesting subject to discuss....another time :)

Cheers,

Bam. :)
 

British Red

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This deserves its own thread!
I'd have to say ginger cake though (but only because scones don't survive rucksack portage very well) :)

But are we wearing the cake as an extra insulation layer? If so something with lots of air gaps like a victoria sponge would be best.....
 

Laurentius

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Edible boots, now that's what you want, like this man. http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0051UT7IK?btkr=1 The Man Who Ate His Boots: Sir John Franklin and the Tragic History of the Northwest Passage.

He is one to teach you something about survival (in a negative way). The Canadians have recently found one of his ships, which originally sparked the largest search and rescue mission in history. It is all a fascinating story. The story of his wife is even more remarkable, now she Was an explorer and more man than her husband ever was.
 

British Red

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Edible boots, now that's what you want, .

Made tastier with....

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Laurentius

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I am looking for a recommendation for good old fashioned leather boots, goretex lining just ruins the palate.
 

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