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johnboy

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This is the tent that was used by the marines/sf group when the weather botched their attack on Grytvicken harbour. Apparently it was a lifesaver on the glacier.

Info on Operation Paraquet and the Fortuna Glacier

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortuna_Glacier

Before Santa Fe could land her troops the British Task Force was off South Georgia. The first order of business was to land the SAS mountain troop onto the Fortuna Glacier using 3 Wessex helicopters. A reconnaissance was made of the glacier at first light on 21 April by the radar-equipped Wessex HAS 3 helicopter from HMS Antrim and, although there was some wind and driving rain, conditions seemed suitable for the operation. The Wessex 3 returned to pick up four SAS men, and the Wessex HAS 5s from RFA Tidespring landed alternately on Antrim's deck to embark more. The plan was for the radar of the Wessex 3 to lead the 5s up onto the glacier by radar. The operation had to be abandoned after they encountered thick low cloud, driving rain and snow storms in Possession Bay. After some hours the weather improved, and a second attempt was made - the helicopters climbed onto the glacier in swirling low cloud. The visibility and navigation problems were made worse by frequent driving squalls of snow and sudden changes in wind speed and direction. Nevertheless, the three helicopters reached the landing zone and delivered their troops and their equipment. They returned to the ships by way of Possession and Antarctic Bays to avoid being sighted by Argentine observers.

During the night of 21 April the barometer fell sharply to 960 millibars and a force 10 snowstorm, which gusted to 70 knots, blew all night. The windchill factor on the glacier was dangerously high. The wind blew away the troops' shelters, and after nearly 24 hours in the blizzard and intense cold, the Mountain Troop men - under Captain John Hamilton of the Green Howards - radioed at 11:00 on 22 April that they had been unable to move off the glacier, that they could not survive another 12 hours and that frostbite cases or 'environmental casualties' were imminent.

It was decided to extract them using the same formation as before. Conditions were much worse than the day before, with swirling low clouds and driving snowstorms sweeping across the glacier. The wind was very changeable, gusting to 70 knots and then dropping unexpectedly to ten, which caused problems of severe mechanical turbulence over the mountains. It was decided to leave the Wessex 5s orbiting in Antarctic Bay while the Wessex 3 tried three times to get onto the glacier. The 5s landed on a spit of land to conserve fuel. In the end, all three helicopters had to return to their ships to refuel.

A second attempt was made immediately, and this was successful. The three helicopters climbed the glacier, sighted the smoke ignited by the troops to indicate their position and wind direction, and landed there during a welcome break in the weather. But as the SAS men were boarding, the wind blew strongly again and whipped up the snow. One of the Tidespring's Wessex 5s, call sign YA, had been the first to load troops and was ready for take-off, and so the pilot decided to lift immediately. As he took off and moved forward, he lost all external reference in the 'white out' and crashed, skidding for some 50 yards and ending up on his side. The other two helicopters had now embarked their troops, so they lifted and landed next to the crashed YA where they loaded its aircrew and soldiers. Half were taken onto the other Wessex 5, call sign YF, which dumped fuel to carry the extra load as did the Wessex 3, which had the other half.

Visibility by this time was practically zero, and the wind and snow had not abated. With the survivors on board, the Wessex 3, call sign 406, took off with YF following astern and they made their way down the glacier. Some seconds later, they traversed a small ridge, YF was seen to flare violently and strike the top. It rolled over onto its side and could not be contacted by radio. The overloaded 406 had to return to the ship some 30 miles away to the north. The passengers were disembarked and medical supplies and blankets were taken on board. The Wessex 3 then flew back towards the glacier, but the foul weather prevented landing. Contact was however made by radio with the crashed YF, and it was confirmed that there were no serious casualties.

The Wessex 3 returned to Antrim to wait for a break in the weather. About an hour later an opportunity presented itself, and 406 flew back to the glacier and managed to locate the survivors. They were embarked and, somewhat overloaded with 17 passengers and their kit, got back to Antrim some 35 minutes later. For these feats of incredible airmanship and dedication to duty, the pilot of 406, Lt. Commander Ian Stanley RN, was awarded the Distinguished Service Order.


Fricken Nails......:cool:
 

keen-edge

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According to reports afterwards, the tents that blew away were being put up at the time. The ones that were up, saved lives there just wasn't enough left for all. Don't believe everything you read on wikipedia.
i like the tent think its a good strong bit of kit :);)
 

johnboy

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According to reports afterwards, the tents that blew away were being put up at the time. The ones that were up, saved lives there just wasn't enough left for all. Don't believe everything you read on wikipedia.

Don't worry I don't, the written 'history' above is from a different source..

http://www.raf.mod.uk/falklands/sg1.html

It's an interesting story of how nature can stop even the most trained and determined people...
 
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Bravo4

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Great thread w00dsmoke. I would like to try the US army pup tent, has anyone had any experience with it?

I've a bit and a couple of thoughts. Used them on rare, rare occasions in the service during the 80's and 90's. Many are available now for very low prices and used ones are generally in excellent condition. 1 shelter half; 1, 3-piece pole, 1 guy-line, 5 heavy, aluminum pegs; was issue per soldier. Two soldier's halfs made a decent, hardy, if small shelter.

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The ridge of the tent and door flaps use heavy duty snaps as closures. Tent fabric is a durable, cotton "sateen". The 2 guylines are all that are needed for a good pitch, proper stake placement is important.

I do not own one currently but can absolutely assure you that a much tighter and weather-resistent pitch of this shelter, is preferable to some of the images available online; sloppy, flappy set-ups. There are 2 reinforcement grommet holes in the ridge to accomadate the pole tips, A small toggle and loop can be substitued for the poles and an exterior ridge-line can be used.

Two used shelter halves without accesories goes for maybe $16US. A complete set with new fabric and all the fixings might cost $35US. This is very basic shelter, small, no floor and a little heavy (aprox. 12pounds complete pup tent). One advantage of heavy cloth is that it provides "hard" shade, not the feeble shade you get from light nylon. That, and these things are cheap!

NSN 8340-01-026-6096 , even has a manual , http://www.tpub.com/content/tentsshelters/TM-10-8340-221-13/
with info on the "2man mountain tent", listed as FSN 8340-254-9017.

A couple of links:
To see one half, laid flat,
http://shop.vendio.com/dutchmancreektradingpost/item/824813253/?s=1269935762

Us Army shelter half history,
http://www.olive-drab.com/od_soldiers_gear_shelter_half.php

Cool thread:cool:
 

Nat

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i Own one of these,its finnish army´s issued,and we use it quite a lot during winter when you can ski and have pulk,to carry it.At summertimes its bit on the heavy side but not impossible task,a slong as theres enough guys to carry parts on their turns,and if were staying on one location for extended perioids.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/52/Puolijoukkueteltta.JPG

Good gods man :eek: tis HUGE!!!!!
Looks like something Ghenkis Khan would abide in while directing his tanks, erm i mean cavalry ;)
 

rik_uk3

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Great thread...

French Army 2 man tent....

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Inner is cotton with a sewn in waterproof tub floor. The inner tent breathes easily with little to no condensation. The poles are 2 piece aluminium, no ridge pole. The fly sheet is waterproof nylon and possibly the best part about this tent. The inner tent particularly, is prone to sagging and "bagging", it can be hard to pitch taught once it has bagged and not terribly stable in bad weather.

Poor to adequate 2 man tent and cheap at £30ish on ebay. The fly sheet can be carried and pitched on it's own (with the poles/sticks) as a sort of lightweight tent-shaped tarp and as mentioned, is probably the best thing about this tent.

I got one around 2004 and found the same Martyn, bloody thing sags and flaps in the wind, used mine once then gave it away :(
 

big_swede

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i Own one of these,its finnish army´s issued,and we use it quite a lot during winter when you can ski and have pulk,to carry it.At summertimes its bit on the heavy side but not impossible task,a slong as theres enough guys to carry parts on their turns,and if were staying on one location for extended perioids.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/52/Puolijoukkueteltta.JPG

There are two very similar tents in the Swedish forces, one 20 person tent (very crowded though) and one 12 person tent. Both comes with stoves. I have only used them for festival after I left the forces though. Life's too short for hauling that weight.
 

PRKL

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There are two very similar tents in the Swedish forces, one 20 person tent (very crowded though) and one 12 person tent. Both comes with stoves. I have only used them for festival after I left the forces though. Life's too short for hauling that weight.


oh yes i think i know what you mean as my buddy owns one tent,from german army,its in square form,has even windows and its measuring about 5.8 meters per wall,its very large and useful but we dont have any good stove for that,but at midusmmer we are taking mine and his big army temts and drag them to one big metal music festival.that german tent is bought thru this link:
http://www.varusteleka.fi/pictures/1573.jpg



i also own one german army two man-tent,but havent used it alot yet.cost me some 20 euros last summer.
 

PRKL

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Good gods man :eek: tis HUGE!!!!!
Looks like something Ghenkis Khan would abide in while directing his tanks, erm i mean cavalry ;)

well its quite large i admit and not the most compact but if youd be going with pulk´s and skis,to spend week or two up there,in lapland,its about the best thing to live in.

this shot shows our living quarters during one ski expedition:lmao:
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big_swede

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oh yes i think i know what you mean as my buddy owns one tent,from german army,its in square form,has even windows and its measuring about 5.8 meters per wall,its very large and useful but we dont have any good stove for that,but at midusmmer we are taking mine and his big army temts and drag them to one big metal music festival.that german tent is bought thru this link:
http://www.varusteleka.fi/pictures/1573.jpg



i also own one german army two man-tent,but havent used it alot yet.cost me some 20 euros last summer.

Metal? So stereotypical finnish! ;)

The swedish tents are round as the first one you showed. this link shows how they look.
 

basha

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That French army tent looks very similar to my very first ridge tent; a Black and Edgingtons 'Companion' (I think that was the name)... that had a cotton flysheet but had the benefit of a ridge pole too. I just wonder if you fabricated one it may eliminate the sagging.

Great thread...

French Army 2 man tent....

french%20tent.jpg


Inner is cotton with a sewn in waterproof tub floor. The inner tent breathes easily with little to no condensation. The poles are 2 piece aluminium, no ridge pole. The fly sheet is waterproof nylon and possibly the best part about this tent. The inner tent particularly, is prone to sagging and "bagging", it can be hard to pitch taught once it has bagged and not terribly stable in bad weather.

Poor to adequate 2 man tent and cheap at £30ish on ebay. The fly sheet can be carried and pitched on it's own (with the poles/sticks) as a sort of lightweight tent-shaped tarp and as mentioned, is probably the best thing about this tent.
 

MrEd

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That French army tent looks very similar to my very first ridge tent; a Black and Edgingtons 'Companion' (I think that was the name)... that had a cotton flysheet but had the benefit of a ridge pole too. I just wonder if you fabricated one it may eliminate the sagging.

shouldnt be hard to do using an extendable bivi pole or similar, you could flatten the ends and drill a hole then fit a spike in the top of the uprights for it to slip over. or something like that.

thats how my old ridge tent was set up
 

rik_uk3

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That French army tent looks very similar to my very first ridge tent; a Black and Edgingtons 'Companion' (I think that was the name)... that had a cotton flysheet but had the benefit of a ridge pole too. I just wonder if you fabricated one it may eliminate the sagging.

Not a 'Companion' (Blacks Good Companion) that was more like a tipi tent and used either a single centre pole or one external 'A' pole.
 

Tor helge

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We can`t have a tread about military tents without the Norwegian army buttoned tent. The Danish soldiers always tought it was amusing to sleep in a "kneppetelt" as they are called.
I can`t imagine why:). (PS. Ask a dane).

The tent is made with the diamond shaped shelter tarps. Usually in a 5,7 or 10man configuration. The tarps are buttoned together. "Roof tarp" with an ordinary buttoning, but the sides is done in a fashion called "Stormknepp", or storm buttoning, to make the tent more weather proof and sturdy.
The layout of the tarps are usually printed on the tarps allthoug we mostly use a layout with "turned" roof tarp, which is not depicted on the prints.

Sadly I have no pics of this tent in the field. We don`t take much photoes at excersises.
But I have a few from other situations. First one shows how it looks when erected. This is the back. The entrance is on the other side.

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Don`t mind the tent poles nor the soldiers attitude. The pic is taken during a "memory refreshing" before a HV excersise.

And one interior picture.

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These tents are bomb proof, but also very heavy. Each tarp weighs 1.5 kiloes.
In 1987 we was caught in a blizzard during an military excersise. The tent withstood the wind and snow and we had a cosy three days eating Drytec rations and dinking coffee.
I`m not sure they are being used by the army anymore or if they use a more modern tent. The HV sometimes use them though.

The Optimus 111 provides heating for these tents.
We always had two stoves. If one needed service we used the other one. That way we always had at least one working stove.

I have 5 of these tarps myself and has made a 5 piece tent. The below picture show the packed size compared to a Fallkniven F1.

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Tor
 

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