/\ This. Amen, brother Nomad. The problem with some 'old men' is that they have the sly habit of levering in their own, often irrelevant, views. For example, one of them may like to blame political correctness wherever possible - no matter how relevant or not to what is being discussed. Another one might say, 'let's keep it in non-political' right before making a political statement, thinking the previous statement will smokescreen the second. Some of these 'old men' do it quite a lot and think they can get away with it. When, in fact, they are just sour, nasty, bitter 'old men'. If I'm honest, I very much doubt age has anything to do with it. But I see it was Fadcode who brought age into it. Again, notice how he slyly brings in his own manifesto? No one else was criticising what Fadcode or Janne said based on their age or had anything to say about their age. That slyness and misdirection is a common tactic of certain groups and it needs to be called out.