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Help/advice. LEZ penalty charge.
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yeah but that still wouldnt mean anything to a lot of people.
we do live near london, did live in london, and angela still works in london yet recently when doing the wild food and chilli fair we got caught out by similar and as we were doing a show we had to proceed only to have to then borrow a friends credit card to pay as we hadnt bought ours. if we hadnt we wouldve got done more. between a rock and a hard place situation which totally pee'd us off. classic example of the powers that be laying down new rules that in this case we were quite innocently unable to avoid yet also unable to resolve.
just putting up a sign like that and expecting everyone to be able to one, understand it or two, do anything about it is totally out of order and thats the end of it.
good luck malley....dont take it laying down if you can help it m8,
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we do live near london, did live in london, and angela still works in london yet recently when doing the wild food and chilli fair we got caught out by similar and as we were doing a show we had to proceed only to have to then borrow a friends credit card to pay as we hadnt bought ours. if we hadnt we wouldve got done more. between a rock and a hard place situation which totally pee'd us off. classic example of the powers that be laying down new rules that in this case we were quite innocently unable to avoid yet also unable to resolve.
just putting up a sign like that and expecting everyone to be able to one, understand it or two, do anything about it is totally out of order and thats the end of it.
good luck malley....dont take it laying down if you can help it m8,
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That's why you'll see these signs on every road leading into the LEZ
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The signs are huge - motorway-sized. Then a few miles on they are repeated with a 'to avoid LEZ turn around at next roundabout'.
That said, without reading this thread I would have had no idea what they meant. Had to drive to London in borrowed van this week (ran van licence plate number through website and was told no need to pay).
That said, without reading this thread I would have had no idea what they meant. Had to drive to London in borrowed van this week (ran van licence plate number through website and was told no need to pay).
i was just in london a day or so again and i saw this sign coming into on teh m40. it doesnt say what it is though. congestion charge sign is self explanitory but just a sign that says low emmision zone didnt mean anything to me.
Dartford Crossing perhaps?
The one that the Toll has now paid for but they decided to keep the Toll in place so people would use the route less?
(not working too well if people don't know about it)
And you can't pay cash for anymore?
Because it's not cost efficent and requires employing people to take the money?
And yet the charge has gone up from 1.50 to 2.50?
I'm sure there's logic in it all.......just very well hidden.
The one that the Toll has now paid for but they decided to keep the Toll in place so people would use the route less?
(not working too well if people don't know about it)
And you can't pay cash for anymore?
Because it's not cost efficent and requires employing people to take the money?
And yet the charge has gone up from 1.50 to 2.50?
I'm sure there's logic in it all.......just very well hidden.
i would ask for proof of contract. if this goes to court it will be a commercial court that deals with things like this,both lawfully and legally unless you have a contract with the 'injured party' there is no case to answer,the courts know this but more often than not are in the pockets of commerce.
What are you talking about, fishfish? The dartford crossing or the lez fines?
I'm not sure what you mean by a 'commercial court'. I know of magistrate's courts, county courts, um high court, but not heard of a commercial court. Do you mean a civil law case or a small claims court?
Edit - I don't know the basis under which the LEZ is doing the fining, but do know of something set up by a council where it turned out they had no legal authority to impose the fines (in the very particular circumstances). York City Council closed a bridge to private traffic (still open to buses and taxis) and fined a lot of people. Turned out they didn't have the authority to do this and have had to pay back the fines.
I'm not sure what you mean by a 'commercial court'. I know of magistrate's courts, county courts, um high court, but not heard of a commercial court. Do you mean a civil law case or a small claims court?
Edit - I don't know the basis under which the LEZ is doing the fining, but do know of something set up by a council where it turned out they had no legal authority to impose the fines (in the very particular circumstances). York City Council closed a bridge to private traffic (still open to buses and taxis) and fined a lot of people. Turned out they didn't have the authority to do this and have had to pay back the fines.
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most of the time the magistrates and county courts opperate under commercial law ie acts of parliament and statutes are just commercial law and as human beings we do not have to submit to these laws they only have the weight of law if you submit tothem,the only real law to which everyone is subject is common law,on occasion magistrates ,county court and on rare occasion crown court can and do sit under common law.
the subject is vast ,i would be glad totell you more if you are intrested.
I an interested seen a couple of YouTube videos where the Freeman of tyre land was quoted, maybe start another thread to keep this one clean
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This is a key point. Even if you see the sign, it gives no indication of a penalty charge or the need to have a permit/exemption in place. Very difficult for the vast majority of out-of-towners to grasp the seriousness of passing the sign.
I hope this thread will act as a warning to the uninitiated and give some guidance as to how an appeal can be successful.
I have never heard of these low emission zones. I think i will just give London a miss from here on in. utter scam.
I once got a pull for speeding. One and only. I was on holiday down near Devon. I'm not a fast driver by any manner of means, I was probably lost not paying attention to the hundreds of signs at the side of the road. Anyway, Gets home to find a nice speeding fine of £80 behind the door..38 in a 30 zone.
I never declared who was driving though i did pay the fine. Turns out not declaring who was driving is classed the same as a drunk driving conviction when it comes to insurance... Bumped my insurance premiums up big time for a few years. I havn't owned a car for over 5 years now. I manage just fine.
Sometimes it's best to just pay the fine. There are more ways to skin this particular cat.
I once got a pull for speeding. One and only. I was on holiday down near Devon. I'm not a fast driver by any manner of means, I was probably lost not paying attention to the hundreds of signs at the side of the road. Anyway, Gets home to find a nice speeding fine of £80 behind the door..38 in a 30 zone.
I never declared who was driving though i did pay the fine. Turns out not declaring who was driving is classed the same as a drunk driving conviction when it comes to insurance... Bumped my insurance premiums up big time for a few years. I havn't owned a car for over 5 years now. I manage just fine.
Sometimes it's best to just pay the fine. There are more ways to skin this particular cat.
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I'm glad I didn't just pay the fine. It is always worth sitting down and taking your time to construct an appeal. In real terms, I spent around four hours in total. That equates to a saving of around £125 an hour.
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Sure. I posted it in this thread. On my phone/tapatalk it is shown in posts numbered 27 and 31 on this thread.
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Got our car clamped yesterday and towed away today for having no Tax from Nov. last year when I phoned the DVLA in Nov. to ask what was the tax i was going to pay she told me first it was excise Duty ? then it was road tax i think not then it was changed to emissions tax,
When I informed her that my tax according to their graph i should be paying £60 pa. then the bomb shell its because of the age of your car N reg the emission chart does not apply ? and cut me off.
So the long and short of it is it is a attack on people who cannot afford new cars,I at no point refused to pay tax only that it should be just and fair and I would pay what i believe to be the right amount for this particular car.
When I informed her that my tax according to their graph i should be paying £60 pa. then the bomb shell its because of the age of your car N reg the emission chart does not apply ? and cut me off.
So the long and short of it is it is a attack on people who cannot afford new cars,I at no point refused to pay tax only that it should be just and fair and I would pay what i believe to be the right amount for this particular car.