Oh yes, that certainly counts! Are you legaly permitted to drive on headland/ beaches in UK? Snow covered roads? Of course you do not need a 4x4 offroader, or even a standard 4x4. You think we use horses or Reindeer in Scandinavia unless we ion a 4x4 off-roader? Norwegian roads are superiour to the Swedish ones these days. They have a somewhat better economy. I did many green lanes in the south east, most were fine with a normal car. The odd destroyed part of the lane needed an offroad capable vehicle or a shovel, pickaxe and muscles. On a few green lanes. My point was - as I am sure all intelligent people here understand - is that very few of us need an offoroad capable vehicle as we never do any off roading. In UK you can go on prepared iffroad courses, or green lanes. In Scandinavia ( where many of you guy go or plan/dream of going) it is illegal. Be buy them for the coolness factor. It may sound strange to you young guys, but loads and loads people used to travel all across Europe in a small, rear wheel drive car with 65 hp, map, no radio. With a tent, sleeping bags, children and spouse. Some sort of burner, foldable chairs and table. When Nescafe became common in the shops, it was a happy revolution! No, I do not talk early 1900’, but 1970’s. It worked. They saw lots, had lots of fun. Grass was just as wet and slippery then. Roads were just as icy and snow covered then.