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Fishing Kit

Discussion in 'Kit Chatter' started by ScottC, Aug 31, 2004.

  1. Ed

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    Yep :) I seem to remember being told by the EA that the only legal way to fish was with the correct licenses and permits, a rod, hook and line.... hence pole fishing is about as minimal you can get.

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  2. jakunen

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    IIRC, hand lining was banned because of the salmon and sewin poachers.

    Why is it, as Stuart pointed out, that preactically all forms of survival techniques for gathering food are illegal? I've ecen heard of people being prosecuted for actauuly surviving emergency situations because they used their brains and caught food (illegaly) to survive!?

    Its a crazy world we live in...
     
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    Because they are the most efficient and cause the biggest dent in the local environment..... and economy if money is being made from the environment ;-)

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  4. jakunen

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    Yeah, but it crazy that you can be prosecuted for using them in a survival situation! I just wish I could remember the details of the case...

    And as has been pointed out on previous threads, and in the frontis piece of some of the more survival oriented schools, if you can't practice in a non-survival situation, how will you be able to survive in a REAL survival situation?!

    Sorry that this is detracting from the real thread of the thread, I just find it somewhat non-sensical...
     
  5. leon-1

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    Just a note on barbless hooks, they are very good if you are going to be playing a fish with a rod, but they are bugger all good if they are being used for night lines (the fish fights and gets away because there is nothing to keep him on the hook). All military fishing kits use barbed hooks for this reason, they are not interested in sport (lets face it on a night line there isn't any sport in it anyway) they are interested in results. They also do not have time to be sat waiting and watching a fishing line as there are a lot of other things that require doing (gathering of bedding, firewood and foods as well as shelter construction).

    Compact fishing kits are for survival not bushcraft since thier very nature include the likes of barbed hooks to be used in survival situations and the majority of techniques used with these kits tend to be illegal.

    If you are going to fish in the bushcraft theatre you may as well take a telescopic rod, they don't take up much room and if you have a fishing license then you will happily be within the law :).
     
  6. jakunen

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    Leon,

    Totally agree, for survival use with a night-line, use barbed hooks, but if you are hand-lining or using the good old birch-pole, then pinch-barbs are preferable from a conservation point of view.

    My kit contains both to handle either situation. And a photocopy of my licence.
     
  7. mr dazzler

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    To fish in fast water for trout I used a small little assortment of kit.
    Small rod
    Fixed spool reel
    2 or 3 pound line
    small 1 or 1/2 0r 1/4 ounce leads- cylinder ones or round balls to roll along the riverbed, squarish "coffin" ones to grip it more to stay in one place. (weight depending on state of water level and strength)
    lead shot to fix position of lead sinker (12 - 18" leader)
    small hooks 14/16/18 (approx 2-3 mm accross there throat)
    Surgical forceps (Hook removaling)
    Little worms out the auction mart dung heap or bigger lob worms out of garden/river banks/woods; wasp grub a good trout bait too
    Relied mostly on touch to detect bites especially in flood water when they would find little eddies and quiet spots near the banks
    Good fish are often close by (within handline range if you aint got a rod and reel in your kit)
    My best out the local river (avg 8-12" long) was almost 19", and I got that on a size 22 with a worm's collar bait while getting a few minners (for dead-bait). Literally inches from river side, and that fish was mad Gave me a filthy look as it popped its head out the water then tried to run into sunken branches. Hooked right in the corner of its jaws. Netted it in the end though.
    Free-line fishing even more direct-you fasten a hook on your line, add a bait (I used lobworm - decent weight) gently swing it out into the swim and let the current move it towards fish
    If you aint got the r&r, as was suggested then try using a whippy green branch to get more control and direction.
    Sometimes you see a eddy or little spot behind some rocks and you almost certain theres a fish there, great buzz of anticipation as you plop the bait, and guide it around, and when a fish takes, hoo-hoo as Homer simpson says.
    Mostly youve just got to be quiet, patient, stay low and hidden so the fish arent spooked by your silhouette. Might be of some help.
    Good luck, and "tight lines". :wink: :wave:
     
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    Fair do's mate :biggthump
     
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    After putting up the list yesterday I decided it would be better to include some large, barbed hooks just incase I happened to have it on me in a survival situation. The last thing you want when your tired and hungry is for dinner to get away! Thanks for the tip about Night Lining.

    Jakunen, willl photocopies still count to a warden? If there's no problem I should really be putting a copy of my licence in there.
     
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    Scott, as far as the hooks are concerned look towards about a size 8, you can catch a large fish on a large hook, but you can catch large and small fish on smaller hooks :wink:
     
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    Scott,

    I keep a photocopy in my kit purely for the reason that I normally carry my licence in my hook wallet which lives in my tackle box.
    That way, I know that I will have it with me when I go fishing.

    On the very unlikely chance of being stopped by either a bailiff or a policeman, at least it shows that I have purchased one and can, if required, produce the real thing at a later date at a police station or my local water authority.

    In all my time fishing, 25yrs, I've only had to produce it a few times (twice in ONE match), and on talking to a bailiff about this very subject some time ago, he said that carrying a copy would at least show a degree of responsibility. But he did advise that I carried some form of photo ID to back up the fact that it was my licence and not a mates I'd copied. I always carry my photocard for my provisional licence these days to prove who I am.
     
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    That's a good idea Jakunen.
     
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    One of your larger hooks will be used for gaffing the fish, or hooking it in the body with a short stick with hook attached as you land it. Incise a short slit on the stick to nest the hook, drive a small nail through the eye and give it a good wrapping with string. To set up a fishing rod include a quality safety pin. This will be your eyelet lashed to the tip of a springy willow branch ( or whatever is appropriate.). Now take a small rectangle of wood, carve out triangles on each short end and make some small notches toward the outer lower tips. You will lash this block to the rod but with the two notches. Now wind your line around the two triangle notches. You have a suprisingly effective reel and rod now. You might want to include a few wire leaders for toothed fish. A few bits of red and yellow flannel are good for fabricating lures in the field. One final note, fish have been caught using everything from thorns for hooks and flowers for bait. But in a small kit such as this buy the very finest premium hooks available. The difference in sharpness is amazing. Also, many bits of gear are plated and may eventually rust. If this is a survival type kit you don't want to open it to find a rusted and useless mess.
     
  14. Exploriment

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    One thing I put in my fishing kit is a small aquarium net, mine is about 5". I cut the handle off, and when I need it, I use a sapling, feed it through the tunnel on the edges of the net, and affix. This way I can net fish, to use as bait, or even to eat.
     
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    Its not in my fishing kit but i keep it in the top pocket of my sack, its a Mozzi head net makes a great net for shrimping catching small/medium sized fish ect, also can be used for keeping mozzys from biting your face :rolmao: , ive caught crayfish in one by crossing two thin springy sticks and fitting them in the mouth of the net and securing an old chicken leg in the middle of the cross and lowering it into the water with some handy old para cord.
     

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