Camouflage
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Indeed, a great bunch of guys, and of course they get to the place to be camouflaged at 160 to the minute.
My Old chap was LI, even quicker than the RGJ, 180PPM compared to 160PPM, not much fun for those of short stature... And very quiet with rubber soled boots... Scary to watch when "at the double"
I don't usually bite but please, I'd like to see you do as well. highly trained service men snipers would have shot you way before you had even had time to write your reply to this post. even in an urban environment you would have been long dead.
nuff said
The hiding bit is probably the easier side of being a sniper, getting in and being able to wait for the opportunity to act and then get out of the position is the clever bit.
Apparently being a sharp shooter is often seen as being a sniper, but the latter has far more to do than just shoot someone.
Shape, Shine, Shimmer, Silhouette, Shadow were the five basics I was taught as a young Cadet, from that it was easy to "disappear" into the shrubbery, and having managed to "hide" a LWB land rover in a copse so it wasn't visible from 50mtrs was quite an achievement for 6 teenagers.
A thermal imaging scope would probably made these guys easier to find, after all it isn't just about not being seen, it is about being able to see and observe all around.
I'm with Widu on this, easy enough to hide in most rural locations with a bit of sacking and natural material, even kids can do it.
Apparently being a sharp shooter is often seen as being a sniper, but the latter has far more to do than just shoot someone.
Shape, Shine, Shimmer, Silhouette, Shadow were the five basics I was taught as a young Cadet, from that it was easy to "disappear" into the shrubbery, and having managed to "hide" a LWB land rover in a copse so it wasn't visible from 50mtrs was quite an achievement for 6 teenagers.
A thermal imaging scope would probably made these guys easier to find, after all it isn't just about not being seen, it is about being able to see and observe all around.
I'm with Widu on this, easy enough to hide in most rural locations with a bit of sacking and natural material, even kids can do it.
Why criticise someone who thinks some of the camouflage defective with silly remarks that they couldn't do it? Given the same training and equipment of course they could. Keeping still seems the first requirement and without camouflage I have had several amusing non-encounters in woods.
When the weather warms up I might give this a go. Just have to be careful of those squirrels.
http://www.ilovebodyart.com/landscape-body-art-natalie-fletcher/
Just have to be careful of those squirrels.http://www.ilovebodyart.com/landscape-body-art-natalie-fletcher/
Check out Liu Bolin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liu_Bolin
http://www.liubolinart.com/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturepicturegalleries/9793057/The-invisible-man-Liu-Bolins-latest-camouflage-artwork-Hiding-in-the-City.html?frame=2448160
Or just google for his pics...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liu_Bolin
http://www.liubolinart.com/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturepicturegalleries/9793057/The-invisible-man-Liu-Bolins-latest-camouflage-artwork-Hiding-in-the-City.html?frame=2448160
Or just google for his pics...
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I don't think I'll ever need to be a sniper, but I can see implications for more secure stealth camping and for animal watching. A useful and interesting post- thanks.
This new American stealth camouflage takes a bit of beating though
Hey Richard, I think that is Santaman2000's bird, he was the crew Chief for that stealth fighter. How 'bout it Dan?
I like this one...Very much a stealth, well the pilot hopes so, otherwise he's on the deck in 5---4---3---2---1---
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drXnDLHKKPM
11 minutes 47 sec
interesting
Light absorbtion and reflection is amazing in the animal kingdom
11 minutes 47 sec
interesting
Light absorbtion and reflection is amazing in the animal kingdom
LOL. No; I was a tin bender. The hardest part on that plane was laying out the rivet pattern.
Good stuff,
I used to play an online version of "Where's Wally/ (Waldo to our American cousins)" with friends in the states. We'd take or have photo's taken of ourselves hiding in various environments and the others would have to spot them. (May be good to start it again).
As I've said in other threads different camouflage worked well in different environments and sometimes could work badly against you. I found that American "Tiger Stripe" worked better than trad old British camouflage generally in UK mixed woodland as it tended to break up your outline better. For multi terrain and open ground I found German Flecktarn pretty hard to beat and the clothing was cheap and well made.
My tweed shooting outfit (for posh days) was an autumnal brown and on the moor you just disappeared in it and indeed some odd colours work quite well, I had a woollen jumper that was mainly dull purples and browns (sound bad but I liked it) and the amount of times I almost lost the darn thing as it disappeared in mountain moraines. And I looked like a floating head in many photographs.
Hiding from mammals and modern military optics can be harder as they "see" into different light spectrums than we do. Why all my shooting clothing is never washed in standard detergents. They have UV brighteners which give the game away too easily. Some modern sniper outfits in development also have been made to hide body heat as potential enemy are increasingly using thermal imaging.
Outline and movement give the game away but also odour and animals can point you out. Hiding in obvious places too is dumb. I often worried that the locals may think I up to no good when out with the dog as I tend to be quite quiet and like to watch the local animal wildlife. The amount of times I've had to announce my presence to other dog walkers as they've not noticed me and I don't want to give them a start.
Some of the animal camouflage is quite stunning especially insect life though my fave pic is one of an owl hiding in a tree...
You can see it due to the closeness and the eyes but I just love it.
I used to play an online version of "Where's Wally/ (Waldo to our American cousins)" with friends in the states. We'd take or have photo's taken of ourselves hiding in various environments and the others would have to spot them. (May be good to start it again).
As I've said in other threads different camouflage worked well in different environments and sometimes could work badly against you. I found that American "Tiger Stripe" worked better than trad old British camouflage generally in UK mixed woodland as it tended to break up your outline better. For multi terrain and open ground I found German Flecktarn pretty hard to beat and the clothing was cheap and well made.
My tweed shooting outfit (for posh days) was an autumnal brown and on the moor you just disappeared in it and indeed some odd colours work quite well, I had a woollen jumper that was mainly dull purples and browns (sound bad but I liked it) and the amount of times I almost lost the darn thing as it disappeared in mountain moraines. And I looked like a floating head in many photographs.
Hiding from mammals and modern military optics can be harder as they "see" into different light spectrums than we do. Why all my shooting clothing is never washed in standard detergents. They have UV brighteners which give the game away too easily. Some modern sniper outfits in development also have been made to hide body heat as potential enemy are increasingly using thermal imaging.
Outline and movement give the game away but also odour and animals can point you out. Hiding in obvious places too is dumb. I often worried that the locals may think I up to no good when out with the dog as I tend to be quite quiet and like to watch the local animal wildlife. The amount of times I've had to announce my presence to other dog walkers as they've not noticed me and I don't want to give them a start.
Some of the animal camouflage is quite stunning especially insect life though my fave pic is one of an owl hiding in a tree...
You can see it due to the closeness and the eyes but I just love it.
