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Read, inwardly digest, pack a bag & take off. Pose yr original Q. (if you feel the need to,) in 2-5 yrs time.
Possibly a typo? getting confuddled with BG???
EDIT;-Sorry Tadpole, I meant that Ray Britton was getting RM and BG possibly transposed. Not clever enough to do double mini quotes... As far as i'm aware Mr Mears has not served in the armed forces, instructed , but never served.
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But then again what would I know, as a civillian I've only been putting Bushcraft into practice for close to 40 years
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Well I am talking about twenty odd years back. Hardly anyone had heard of Ray back then.
The only reason I used the word in those days was from the Richard Graves book, which was the first one I'd seen that described the sort of stuff I was doing. Even Mors' book hadn't been published yet.
Everyone else thought of this kind of stuff as "survival" but that didn't seem quite the right word to me.
It's only a very recent thing, i guess due to amount of walkins who mention Ray/Edward in there interests and activitys section. It's good to know they are moving with the times though.
Sorry Wayland, but 20 years ago and longer a lot of people were practicing "bushcraft" in this country - we called it by other names (not survival) but we were building shelters, making greenwood camp tools, re-shafting axes in the field, and every other task that is usually discussed here. Ray was just another youngster that happened to decide to turn it into a money making career.
As for the OP, as someone that has been practicing this stuff for nearly 50 years I acknowledge that I am still learning and that even 19 year olds can teach me something (just look at that kid making axe handles on youtube or Jonathon's site and his basket work) but it was a bit presumptuous to assume that there was enough difference in experience or skill that I would pay money to get it.
However, nothing turns young kids on more than seeing slightly older kids doing cool stuff so get involved with teaching small kids but alongside others with more experience first.
Just my 2p worth.
Broch
Sorry, I shouldn't have said "everyone", bad choice of words.
You would have to admit though that although many of us were using the same sort of skills, not many of us knew how to describe it to others back then. The term I used to use before "Bushcraft" was "Tramping" but that didn't make much sense either.
When the survivalists started creeping out of the woodwork and magazines like S.W.a.T. gained popularity, you could easily be forgiven for thinking that it was all "Camping" or "Survival" with nothing else in between.
As we've seen many time before on this forum, the skill sets we draw upon are so varied and nebulous that it is almost impossible to define what "Bushcraft" is anyway but I still haven't found a better label for it.
You would have to admit though that although many of us were using the same sort of skills, not many of us knew how to describe it to others back then. The term I used to use before "Bushcraft" was "Tramping" but that didn't make much sense either.
When the survivalists started creeping out of the woodwork and magazines like S.W.a.T. gained popularity, you could easily be forgiven for thinking that it was all "Camping" or "Survival" with nothing else in between.
As we've seen many time before on this forum, the skill sets we draw upon are so varied and nebulous that it is almost impossible to define what "Bushcraft" is anyway but I still haven't found a better label for it.
wow - what an intense thread.
@SF and DD - as has been rather bluntly pointed out by many others I also don't think that you should go into teaching. From what I have seen of your posts you both clearly have an interest in the area and that should be built upon.
From what I can gather from SF post however there is more of an interest in knives. - but that's probably just me.
If I were you lads - I would seriously consider playing host to other people allowing them to use your land. - in terms of business this is far more viable IMO.
other than that I would suggest learning a trade particular to bushcraft - just for example blacksmithing or wood work.
it boils down to the fact that people are prepared to pay for things that they cannot do themselves. - and if you can do a pretty chuffing good job at it then you have the makings of a business.
however when it comes to camping out/ bushcraft or what ever you call it - I think there are quite a lot of things that you have to be in total control of. as said you have to know the subject inside out.
I've been doing stuff outdoors since I could walk - as such I know what I'm doing and I'm quite capable at it. -for example I got a knife when I was 8 and I've been using all manner of axes and other large sharps since I was about 11 as such I would say I'd be quite happy to take a mate or two out to teach them a few things. - so thats 12-15 years of experience in sharps (surely fundamental to bushcraft) - though I remember a thread by SF not long after I joined this forum a year ago asking what is the best axe for a beginner. - sorry mate but knowing that I wouldn't want you teaching me.
Perhaps you could find work local to you which would require the use of this kind of skill set - big estates some times need people to do manual stuff.
farm work perhaps?
at the end of the day guys the only way to get good is to do it. start small - if you want to teach then start with a mate of a mate - some one you don't really know. - if it goes well then build on it.
all the best
Andy
@SF and DD - as has been rather bluntly pointed out by many others I also don't think that you should go into teaching. From what I have seen of your posts you both clearly have an interest in the area and that should be built upon.
From what I can gather from SF post however there is more of an interest in knives. - but that's probably just me.
If I were you lads - I would seriously consider playing host to other people allowing them to use your land. - in terms of business this is far more viable IMO.
other than that I would suggest learning a trade particular to bushcraft - just for example blacksmithing or wood work.
it boils down to the fact that people are prepared to pay for things that they cannot do themselves. - and if you can do a pretty chuffing good job at it then you have the makings of a business.
however when it comes to camping out/ bushcraft or what ever you call it - I think there are quite a lot of things that you have to be in total control of. as said you have to know the subject inside out.
I've been doing stuff outdoors since I could walk - as such I know what I'm doing and I'm quite capable at it. -for example I got a knife when I was 8 and I've been using all manner of axes and other large sharps since I was about 11 as such I would say I'd be quite happy to take a mate or two out to teach them a few things. - so thats 12-15 years of experience in sharps (surely fundamental to bushcraft) - though I remember a thread by SF not long after I joined this forum a year ago asking what is the best axe for a beginner. - sorry mate but knowing that I wouldn't want you teaching me.
Perhaps you could find work local to you which would require the use of this kind of skill set - big estates some times need people to do manual stuff.
farm work perhaps?
at the end of the day guys the only way to get good is to do it. start small - if you want to teach then start with a mate of a mate - some one you don't really know. - if it goes well then build on it.
all the best
Andy
Heh Heh - writing for SWAT for me was pure "Survival" - in that it brought in enough dosh to keep me alive and let me get out in the hills to play!
If anyone remembers my writings they may recall that canoeing, abseiling, asto nav etc played a part in it .... more bushy than survival but stil known as "Survival" - even RMs first books were called Bushcraft and Survival!
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when you say: "wished they'd served in the forces but didn't (like him by the way)". Does RM now not count the time he spent in 21 SAS (V) artists?. He could have stayed longer if he wanted I guess.
Just a question, as I have never met the bloke, so don't know
Ermmm... I never said that Ray. As you can see below it was actually Slamdunk who mentioned the forces.Mesquite.
My apologies for that. I guess I was scanning the thread too quick, as I was preparing to work the weekend.
I agree with Wayland on bushcraft being little known by that name in the past. When I first started to learn it in the mid seventies, it was introduced to me as forest lore, and I only heard the term bushcraft much later.
Tadpole. Apart from coming across as a bit clueless (read on for why). Your 'fact' answer about RM is strange, as your posts contradict themselves!. I was referring to RM being in 21, so London based not Hereford, and think he was in the artists, as there are photos of him on exercise with them, in uniform and using an SA80 (the weapon 21 have to use). But, then you say he was never in 21, 22 or any regiment, I suppose you have heard it from him direct, in which case it would be odd for him and me to have served together wouldn't it? Not of course that I ever said I was in any SF unit, but then I don't think you are bothered about facts are you?
I have never met RM, but can only assume you have met him and talked to him first hand to know the factual reply (as you never stated it was your opinion)...Either that or you are/were in the SF and have checked the records!
Oddly a lot of folks have been in 21 and 23 for varying amounts of time..........Even the infamous Jim Shortt was on their books for a while, but then he likes to say he was operational, rather than just holding, pending admin checks...But I guess you knew that already lol.
My apologies for that. I guess I was scanning the thread too quick, as I was preparing to work the weekend.
I agree with Wayland on bushcraft being little known by that name in the past. When I first started to learn it in the mid seventies, it was introduced to me as forest lore, and I only heard the term bushcraft much later.
Tadpole. Apart from coming across as a bit clueless (read on for why). Your 'fact' answer about RM is strange, as your posts contradict themselves!. I was referring to RM being in 21, so London based not Hereford, and think he was in the artists, as there are photos of him on exercise with them, in uniform and using an SA80 (the weapon 21 have to use). But, then you say he was never in 21, 22 or any regiment, I suppose you have heard it from him direct, in which case it would be odd for him and me to have served together wouldn't it? Not of course that I ever said I was in any SF unit, but then I don't think you are bothered about facts are you?
I have never met RM, but can only assume you have met him and talked to him first hand to know the factual reply (as you never stated it was your opinion)...Either that or you are/were in the SF and have checked the records!
Oddly a lot of folks have been in 21 and 23 for varying amounts of time..........Even the infamous Jim Shortt was on their books for a while, but then he likes to say he was operational, rather than just holding, pending admin checks...But I guess you knew that already lol.
I mention this in passing, merely to straighten you out on a few errors, Yes I have met Ray, he’s a nice bloke, and unlike some does not talk rubbish about what he has or hasn’t done, he makes no bones about his time training Military personnel in “bushcraft” be it SF in Hereford or RM In Dorset. Ray tried to join up when he was younger, but failed his medical. All that is a matter of public records and if you’d attended any lecture given by Ray, Hereford, Gloucester, London or Middle wallop, you’d hear him speak on it.
Be you Bear or just a Rupert, maybe a Walter, I for one am not buying. For the clueless comment I agree, Military matter I’ve not a clue about, but I am not the only one, am I? Really, be honest now, the closest you’ve come to H2H is H2M.
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