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And if you were to put the stone in your pocket....what of its destiny then?
To quote something that may be equally well thought of in a few thousand years
"There is no fate but what you make"
To quote something that may be equally well thought of in a few thousand years
"There is no fate but what you make"
No room for Chaos? (You can see which Norse Gods side I am on...)
My tutor (who is a historian) says that there are many truths in History. Everyone has their own version.
I for one like Fantasy but dont like the modern thinking in it.
Take maps.
Every book starts with one, but in a real pre modern world, maps would be incredibly rare, and probably state secrets.
The reader would not have access to a map even if the characters did!
And it wont be accurate!
My tutor (who is a historian) says that there are many truths in History. Everyone has their own version.
I for one like Fantasy but dont like the modern thinking in it.
Take maps.
Every book starts with one, but in a real pre modern world, maps would be incredibly rare, and probably state secrets.
The reader would not have access to a map even if the characters did!
And it wont be accurate!
I love this thread.
Is there not order in Chaos too? ( recall something about the possibility to put chaos in mathematical formula? )
Well, you put a stone in your pocket. But sooner or later, it will end up back in the soil, or get pulverized. Which all stones will do.
Right? Wrong?
So maybe the ultimate fate of that tone is to be pulverized into the atoms, then it will join the living organisms for a while? Minerals and such something will eat?
Is there not order in Chaos too? ( recall something about the possibility to put chaos in mathematical formula? )
Well, you put a stone in your pocket. But sooner or later, it will end up back in the soil, or get pulverized. Which all stones will do.
Right? Wrong?
So maybe the ultimate fate of that tone is to be pulverized into the atoms, then it will join the living organisms for a while? Minerals and such something will eat?
"Order out of chaos" Janne, I feel science is doing what we have always been doing, using perceptions to find answers, not so long ago we had just are mind for this, its the same now but with better tools to see with.
I see science as an attempt to approach the truth ( end?).
It is an evolving truth, if you understand my somewhat faulty english.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a great fan of science, it certainly presents the best model we currently have for how things work. Things will inevitably change as our understanding changes. We have moved from a Newtonian model to an Einstienian one and far beyond but unlike religious doctrine it all continues to be called "science".
My work however, requires me to get into the heads of people with a very different mindset to our own and importantly try and explain that mindset to others.
In the pursuit of that aim, I think my stone analogy could be a useful tool.
My work however, requires me to get into the heads of people with a very different mindset to our own and importantly try and explain that mindset to others.
In the pursuit of that aim, I think my stone analogy could be a useful tool.
A lot of descriptive images of religion is taken as literal and the depth of its meaning becomes lost, I think some times of what I read of past peoples, and I think that they could observe very well, but how would they get across some thing hidden to another? would I say this force I know of, acts like a king upon a throne or its like a serpent a worm of the earth? an image describing an abstract is easy to place in the mind of another it holds there better and is more potent than an abstract?
Interesting isn't it that we need the language to convey the concept in many cases.
I think it was Newton, coincidentally, that said something like "If I have seen further it is because I am standing on the shoulders of giants."
Understanding one concept allows us to consider the next and so on.
It is very difficult to step backwards in that sequence though. How do we unlearn something to put ourselves in the mindset of our ancestors for example.
I think it was Newton, coincidentally, that said something like "If I have seen further it is because I am standing on the shoulders of giants."
Understanding one concept allows us to consider the next and so on.
It is very difficult to step backwards in that sequence though. How do we unlearn something to put ourselves in the mindset of our ancestors for example.
(Now my english is not good enough but..)
Reading old texts ( for example Bible, Talmud, Icelandic sagas, even later books) the problem I perceive we/I have it to know the original meaning of expressions, of how the sentences are built.
I have enjoyed reading and comparing old translations ( to Swedish) of the Sagas with the available ( old) translations to English and with the latest translations to Swedish.
Weirdly enough the first two give me the same ‘feel’, but the modern Swedish does not. Meaning that i see the same reading the first teo in my mind, but a different one on the third.
The longer time goes, the less we will understand of the past.
One thing I find interesting is that the young generation have a greater need for the visual.
The written word is not enough.
I suspect it started with photography or the start of adding pictures in books and newspapers/ leaflets, then movies and todays Antisocial Media makes it even deeper?
(We have all heard - no pic - never happened )
Reading old texts ( for example Bible, Talmud, Icelandic sagas, even later books) the problem I perceive we/I have it to know the original meaning of expressions, of how the sentences are built.
I have enjoyed reading and comparing old translations ( to Swedish) of the Sagas with the available ( old) translations to English and with the latest translations to Swedish.
Weirdly enough the first two give me the same ‘feel’, but the modern Swedish does not. Meaning that i see the same reading the first teo in my mind, but a different one on the third.
The longer time goes, the less we will understand of the past.
One thing I find interesting is that the young generation have a greater need for the visual.
The written word is not enough.
I suspect it started with photography or the start of adding pictures in books and newspapers/ leaflets, then movies and todays Antisocial Media makes it even deeper?
(We have all heard - no pic - never happened )
