2010 election & changes to knife law

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HillBill

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Oct 1, 2008
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a licence is better than none at all mate, ive had no hassle, and ive carried my air rifle down the high street in the day inthe slip past officers, no problems. as for knives i put them in my backpack.

My point exactly :)

They can't ban knives and they can't license them.
 

wattsy

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Dec 10, 2009
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My point exactly :)

They can't ban knives and they can't license them.

there's nothing stopping them doing it and its not enshrined in any of the documents that make up our constitution that it would be illegal to change the laws regarding using and carrying knives. i don't see how licensing can do any harm if you've nothing to hide why kick up a fuss?
 

Siberianfury

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this is of course to carry a fixed blade knife longer than 3" in public, i wouldnt mind as its better than the current state where in.
at my age, providing a valid excuse is alot harder than people say in there 30's, i would be taken for a criminal due to my age.
 
Totally correct Wattsy, if you are licensed for hunting equipment that is far more deadly than a knife, then a knife license should be automatically issued to you.

Nothing to hide, nothing to worry about. Chavs and pillocks like that simply would not get a ticket and it would actually make it easier to mop up the street urchins that give knives and us a bad name.

I suggested this 5 years ago on a forum and it got flamed, now however opinions have changed, the subject has been chewed over and more are in favour, and actually see my point.


Other than that go the other way and make it legal for EVERYONE to carry a knife, just see knife crime fall, as it would make everyone equal, not give the street scum the advantage.

This was proven when they brought out very recently new legislation in OZ, they banned the carrying of hand guns, gun crime instantly shot through the ceiling, as the good guys had handed in their weapons and the scum kept theirs, thereby the government had just given the scum the best upper hand they could ever wish for. :dunno:

The good guys were now the victims and could NEVER defend themselves.
 

HillBill

Bushcrafter through and through
Oct 1, 2008
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there's nothing stopping them doing it and its not enshrined in any of the documents that make up our constitution that it would be illegal to change the laws regarding using and carrying knives. i don't see how licensing can do any harm if you've nothing to hide why kick up a fuss?

Oh so i take you mean it's quite alright for the gov to just restrict our lives as they see fit?

Knives have been carried since they were invented funnily enough, if you think restricting them with a license will actually stop ANY knife "crime" at all then you are greatly misinformed. You see, crims dont obey the law, thats defined by title really. So how would it make a bean of difference?

Fuss? That would be them mate. I'm not the ones in the media ranting on about it am i. Fuss? You can see where the fuss is mate, not on here thats for sure.
 
Bill, it would make things better, Knife- no licence= 5 years Jail

Knife- licence = that'll do nicely sir have a nice day

And yes Bill governments do make restrictions, or else what's the point in having them, would you prefer that everyone did as they choose at all times?

Anarchy?
 
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HillBill

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Bill, it would make things better, Knife- no licence= 5 years Jail

Knife- licence = that'll do nicely sir have a nice day

And yes Bill governments do make restrictions, or else what's the point in having them, would you prefer that everyone did as they choose at all times?

Anarchy?

Anarchy is actually a form of government and does not mean chaos.:)

But its like this mate, No license = 5 years, Does that include everybody in the home?, if you are caught without a license then you go to jail. Hmm, yeah great idea mate, i'd put it right up there with the waterproof teabag. You see you can't just license some knives, it has to be all or none. You can't license something that every single household in the world has some of and always has had some of, its not like a firearm.

Any form of licensing is about control, the idiots who cause knives to have a bad name will still give knives a bad name, how are you going to stop those people gaining a license? They will have knives at home in the kitchen, and as such will have to be given a license. So then these folk who go round stabbing others will then have a license to carry a knife. Can't license a woodlore and not an ikea kitchen knife. Its like saying you need a license for a 7.62mm fiream but not a 5.56mm.

How do you think it could work? Do we deny folk the right to cut up their own food?
 

BorderReiver

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Just this morning there was a Tory guy on Today (R4) who stated unequivocally that they will have a zero tolerance to carrying a knife in public.

No mention of s139, or type, or need, just "there is no reason for anyone to carry a knife on our streets"
 

Siberianfury

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not a licence to buy knives Mark, just a licence to carry a fixed blade in public, sub 3" folders are still allowed without a licence.

like say a "special purpose blades licence"
 
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wattsy

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Dec 10, 2009
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yeah having a license to carry a knife in public not having a license to use one in the home that a completely different kettle of fish and you know it. governments and laws do restrict our lives yes but for the greater good if they didn't you could just go around saying 'oh well i quite like your car so i'm going to nick it and if you try and stop me i'll murder you, also your missus is quite good looking i reckon i'll kidnap her and have my wicked way with her'
some of the stuff you come out with is pure rot
 

locum76

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This was proven when they brought out very recently new legislation in OZ, they banned the carrying of hand guns, gun crime instantly shot through the ceiling,

I'm sure you'd always get a increase in recorded crimes after a new law is introduced. I bet the surge settled down once the public had got used to it and the cops weren't proactively pushing the new law.
 

Neumo

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Jul 16, 2009
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These threads are always fun & this one had some interesting gems in it, like most stabbings officially happen with kitchen knives etc..

My view is:
- spend a lot more money teaching police about knife law (& firearms law). This is a huge part of the problem, which should not be overestimated. The innocent are getting messed about by the ignorant in an attempt to stop a dangerous minority.
- change the law so that street criminals etc.. KNOW that they will go down for a long time if they stab any one but allows normal everyday knife use that does not harm people. It's the decision to use a knife to harm someone that needs to be punished, not possession of an item that could be used to kill.

If knives are banned in cities then we will be in the daft position of being able to walk into your local gunshop with a firearm in a slip/case (with your certificates) but can not
carry a pen knife that are sold in most high streets.
 
I'm sure you'd always get a increase in recorded crimes after a new law is introduced. I bet the surge settled down once the public had got used to it and the cops weren't proactively pushing the new law.

How will it settle down Locum, when the criminals are still armed and the general public are now defenceless

Why should it calm down? Maybe criminals feeling sorry for the victims? That'll be a first.
 

Hangman

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These threads are always fun & this one had some interesting gems in it, like most stabbings officially happen with kitchen knives etc..

My view is:
- spend a lot more money teaching police about knife law (& firearms law). This is a huge part of the problem, which should not be overestimated. The innocent are getting messed about by the ignorant in an attempt to stop a dangerous minority.
- change the law so that street criminals etc.. KNOW that they will go down for a long time if they stab any one but allows normal everyday knife use that does not harm people. It's the decision to use a knife to harm someone that needs to be punished, not possession of an item that could be used to kill.

I agree 110% there seems to be a huge lack in education of those enforcing the law, whether it is down to the desire for am 'easy nick' to help the clear up figures or down to lack of resources and training / resources is another debate, but there does seem to be a lack of understanding on the part of the police of the law (and excemptions) as they currently stand.

Likewise I have no problem with tougher / longer sentances for someone using a knife as a weapon as that is not the reason I own / use a knife.

IMO licensing is a no-no, taking firemarms licencing - it's been used to disarm and reduce our right to own and use firearms by the backdoor - I wouldn't put it past HMG to do the same to bushcrafters in the same way we have problems with the enforcement of current law. It would be yet another expensive and doomed to fail HMG IT project and the atendant costs just wouldn't be realised in the benefits to society as it misses the point that criminals by thier very nature would be most likely to be in possesion of a knife without a licence or have another item that is not covered by the knife licence law.
 

durulz

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Jun 9, 2008
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How will it settle down Locum, when the criminals are still armed and the general public are now defenceless

That's a bit scare-mongering of you.
The majority of gun/knife violence is committed by villains/gangs against OTHER villains/gangs.

Depending on the wording and intent, I would support a licence for carrying a fixed blade knife. But the more you think about it, the more pointless and hair-splitting such legislation would get. But in theory I support it.
 

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