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Paullyfuzz

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I doubt very much, whether Ray has anything to do with the pricing of both the courses or the kit. I suspect that Ray has handed the reigns over to someone else, and he allows them to use his name.
 

HillBill

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Prices are what they are.

The only time the prices will come down is when theres always empty places in their courses. Not before.
 

firecrest

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I too used to think that the Woodlore courses were overpriced and even posted comments to that effect a couple of months ago.

However, a member of the Woodlore team took the time to contact me direct and let me know about the real costs involved in running the courses. I won't go into the points that were made to me, as the company's competitors might like to know them, but suffice to say, I am now fully satisfied that the course fees are justified.

Just my tuppence worth!

Fair do's. Im willing to take on board the fact that the expenses are more than I initially thought a few months back as well.
 

C_Claycomb

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Oh come on, have you seen what those go for elsewhere?

The £ has dropped way back compared to the $ and it has long been the case that many US items are priced here simply by changing the $ to £.

The Photon Freedom is sold in the US for $19.95, I don't see it as particularly note worthy that Woodlore are selling it for £19.50. The UK Photon site sells them for £15.62, Winwood Outdoors for £18.00, Coldspark for £19.95, and one place even offered if for more than £21. Sure, if you brave Evilbay from the US you can get them for something around £11.00 including postage, but if you are going to judge everyone as being poor value because they don't match ebay sellers....:p
 

xylaria

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"Bankrupt? Made Redundant? Wife thrown you out? Had your home repossessed?
Then you need a Downturn Bushcraft Course from Woodlouse.
Learn the skills that kept thousands of 1930's hobos alive during the last big financial glitch.
Learn how to make a shelter, light a fire, track bunnies and other animals for the pot. Shoes worn out from looking for a job? Learn to make new ones from birch bark.
If you think the above could happen to you, act now and learn the skills you'll need when the downturn really bites. Reasonably priced, this course will only cost you an arm and a leg (but we'll also show you how to make a crutch from saplings).

Eric
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run it at eds place. run another course with a green issues theme. there is a market.

one of the reason my gran taught my dad edible plants and such was that you don't go hungry if know how to get what is out there.

[my cat broke my keyboard, i do know what capital letters are]
 

alpha_centaur

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Oh come on, have you seen what those go for elsewhere?

The £ has dropped way back compared to the $ and it has long been the case that many US items are priced here simply by changing the $ to £.

The Photon Freedom is sold in the US for $19.95, I don't see it as particularly note worthy that Woodlore are selling it for £19.50. The UK Photon site sells them for £15.62, Winwood Outdoors for £18.00, Coldspark for £19.95, and one place even offered if for more than £21. Sure, if you brave Evilbay from the US you can get them for something around £11.00 including postage, but if you are going to judge everyone as being poor value because they don't match ebay sellers....:p


Would you say that it was good value for money though.... Me personally I wouldn't.
 

Squidders

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You know what i mean mate. A Bently Azure costs $330,000 which is probably around £225,000 over here. Or £330,000 if you just swap the symbol.

This is just butchering the word value in my mind... do you value your life? is your life worth more in dollars or pounds?

Value is a personal weight we give everything and it's got little to do with pure numbers or currency symbols.
 

C_Claycomb

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No, I don't think that its particularly good value if you have to spend £20 on something that our American cousins can have for $20. I will even grant you that $20 could be thought of as a bit high for what amounts to a key-ring LED.

However, none of that has any bearing on Woodlore, which is where this thread started. It is not fair to castigate a company for selling a product at too high a price when the majority of the rest of the market, in this country, is selling at a very similar price, and that such pricing is largely to do with shipping, duty and taxes rather than that particular company being more rapacious than its peers.

Nor is it fair to say that Woodlore is poor value because they choose to sell an expensive version of the LED light rather than a cheap Chinese copy. That is like complaining that a car dealership is poor value because it sells Bentley rather than Ford!

Complaining about the changing of $ to £ shouldn't really enter into this conversation because it is so widespread. Its not confined to any single market sector, let alone company and complaining that we have it so much "worse" than they do in the US is a pointless conversation to even start :rolleyes:
 

HillBill

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This is just butchering the word value in my mind... do you value your life? is your life worth more in dollars or pounds?

Value is a personal weight we give everything and it's got little to do with pure numbers or currency symbols.[/QUOTE


Your going way off the point mate. We are talking about the value of items available to buy in a shop, not a life

And yes when your buying an item you want and that money is coming from your bank balance then those numbers and currency symbols DO matter.Especially to those who ain't rich and have familys to think about, which is just about most people. :)

P.s I am in no way critisizing Woodlore or anyone else's prices be it for goods or services. As i said in an earlier post some items are good value.
 

HillBill

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I understand that. The value of the knowledge gained from a course or book far outweighs the cost of aquiring it. TBH i was more making a point about the $ to £ thing :)
 

rik_uk3

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A lot of kit in the States is cheaper than the UK, but its down to buying power. Camping in America has a lot bigger pool of buyers than the UK, the likes of REI have tremendous buying power, they don't just buy maybe four dozen pans like a smaller outfit such as that run by Lurch perhaps does, they buy thousands and get the discount accordingly. These big operators are like Tesco, they can afford to work on much slimmer profit margins than an independent seller because of cash turnover, Ray Mears is small fry compared to other UK companies like Blacks or Field and Trek etc and nothing compared to groups like REI

Do many of us here really need all the fancy kit that some buy for the UK conditions? No is very often the reality, but if you choose to pick a top end label to wear then you will pay the price so to be honest, shut up and either pay it or leave it; its as simple as that (no offence meant), lets stop slagging off small retailers such as Ray Mears and the like, I feel sorry for the poor souls these days:(
 

Grooveski

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When I get round to going on a course it'll likely be with Patrick or someone I've already met so what one school is charging compared to others isn't any bother to me. I know I'll never regret my knapping session at the Lords.

....have looked at the expeditions. I'll bet the paddle down the Ardeche is fun but for that price you can buy a canoe, travel to the Ardeche, have a paddle and come home with a canoe. :)

The price an individual is willing to go to for an experience is up to the individual though. For his 60th birthday last year my dad went on Enduro Africa for Riders for Health which involved buying a motorcycle and leaving it behind for aid workers to use. He worked hard for it and it was a blast, a life-changing trip.

That's what it's all about, a wander along the burn or a week in a snowhole, how do you price it, it's priceless.
 

gunslinger

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does anybody think the economic downturn over the next year will affect course prices and attendance levels?

That is an absolute guarantee.

Things are already starting to affect the poorest and it wont be long before everybody starts to feel the pinch.
First things to be cut back will be non essentials,so bushcraft courses ,like other courses and leisure pursuits will be hit and I think quite hard.

This is nothing to do with my previous post on the price of courses, but simple economic facts.

GS
 

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