Design Input

[Man of Tanith]

Morning Folks.
Part of my goals for 2020 is to make more of the equipment i use.
With that in mind I'm planning to make a haversack from the hides i recently processed.
In the rough sketch I've got two designs in mind.
First is the "simple" envelope style which seems very popular, often made from waxed cotton/oilcloth, almost standard issue to students and instructors of various schools across the pond
Second is a more complicated build along the lines of a shooting bag with gusset allowing a larger carry capacity.

I tend to avoid overloading a haversack as once I have a certain amount of kit/weight it's over to a rucksack for better weight distribution and comfort in carry

Have i missed any other designs?
Is there a "better" style I haven't seen?
Which would you make and why?


Thanks in advance

 

[Herman30]

How about a waist strap? Keeps bag in place when bending down etc. And helps take part of the weight to the hips.

 

[Man of Tanith]

How about a waist strap? Keeps bag in place when bending down etc. And helps take part of the weight to the hips.

At that point personally it's time to reach for the rucksack.
this is gonna be a fast n light bimble bag (i've seen haversacks on Ig that are bursting at the seams and i refuse to do that myself)

 

[John Fenna]

I just made this one....
Simple to make (if time consuming!) if hand sewn ... a swine to sew if you are using a machine!

 

[Toddy]

Make the strap adjustable.
I usually wear my 'foraging' bag cross body style, but that long strap is a pest at times. It's handy to be able to shorten it quickly and tidily.

Also useful is a base that won't soak up water if it's put down on the ground for whatever reason, and make sure that the flap keeps the rain out and doesn't funnel it into the bag at the sides.

Looking forward to seeing your finished piece though

 

[Erbswurst]

As you can see here in the second picture, the old german army bread bag had a very small opening in the top.

Nothing falls out and it doesn't rain in.

In my opinion that's the best design for such a little bag without zipper.

https://www.epicmilitaria.com/ww1-german-bread-bag.html

http://www.brotbeutel.info/brotbeutel_des_heeres.shtml

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[Herman30]

At that point personally it's time to reach for the rucksack.
this is gonna be a fast n light bimble bag (i've seen haversacks on Ig that are bursting at the seams and i refuse to do that myself)

Waist strap also keeps the bag in place when walking fast/running or jumping, even if your bag is light.

Well, people prefer different things. I would not want to have any sort of shoulder bag without waist strap.

 

[Janne]

If it is going to be 25 cm high, a waist belt is quite useless.

Design: I would make the 'body' quite narrow, and longer. With a waist belt. Plus one more handle between the shoulder straps, so you can carry it in one hand.
Two large ( large H2O bottle size ) pockets each side. ( This will make it wider.)

wonderful project!

A tip; Make the shoulder ( and waist) straps well lined and padded, plus wider than you think.
Reason - if you love the design, you will wear it a lot, and maybe pack it full and heavy.

Also, make a way ( thin strap, or eyelets) to keep the shoulder straps together, at a level just above your nipples,], as it will make wearing the bag more comfy.

 

[Herman30]

If it is going to be 25 cm high, a waist belt is quite useless.

A shoulder bag will never stay in place when I walk. I place it on the backside and after a while it has moved to the front side because of body movement. And I hate to have to adjust it back time and time and time again or walk with one hand holding the bag in place.
Am I the only one with this problem?

 

[Janne]

Yes.



He wants to make a back pack though, not a shoulder bag..

I never, ever wear shoulder bags. Assymetrical load on my damaged lower back.

Even when shopping ( food) I pack two plastic bags at about the same weight. Or make wife carry it.
Marital benefit!

 

[Janne]

If you want to get some inspiration, have a peek on:

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0g...ackpacks/RK=2/RS=kmyFMMR7pouzvUYbFsxhWo9xlTI-

 

[Man of Tanith]

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He wants to make a back pack though, not a shoulder bag..

Um no i want to make a shoulder bag not a backpack

thats another project in the pipeline

 

[Billy-o]

I know what you mean about the desirability of less organization and a quick use, single space bag. But, maybe put in at least one small compartment for keys and torch etc. Or, a strap inside with a clip on it. Small things like that can sneak out of your bag when taking other things out, and you don't realize they are gone until way too late Also, there are benefits to an internal divider (whichever way you put it in). Means that your gloves don't have to be under your jacket, and so forth

Also take a look at a Filson Tote for some ideas. I have one and the external pockets on that are just so useful. I was surprised at how much I like them for phones, brollies, newspapers, books, gloves, frisbees for the dog ... well, name it

 

[santaman2000]

I’d probably make the envele style simply because it seems easier and I have absolutely no xperience sewing leather (Apart from restitching knife scabbards) Still, I believe the gusseted, saddlebag style would be more practical.

 

[Toddy]

That tote bag would fill up with rain so fast here.
A simple shoulder bag is really useful, if it's across the body then it simply curves at your hip and stays right to hand.

Hamish makes some beautiful ones.

https://www.pictavialeather.co.uk/bags--satchels

 

[Janne]

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Um no i want to make a shoulder bag not a backpack

thats another project in the pipeline

Sorry, your technical drawing and the word haversack made me think it was a backpack!

Well, my ideas, and the link, take them with you on your next project!

 

[Man of Tanith]

This is true
i have the ideas for the Rucksack bubbling around in my head already

 

[Janne]

One design fault (IMO) on many of this kind of bags I see, is that the bottom is soft and ‘sags’.

 

[John Fenna]

Yup - they are fun too!

 

[Man of Tanith]

Yup - they are fun too

The plan is to use some Grain on Buckskin and Bark tan i've been working on
been discussin the finer arts of buckskin sewin with Theresa. So many useful hints (and potentially ambitious for a rank amatuer)