So much money on knives

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Highbinder

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Jul 11, 2010
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After chipping the tip of my Bark River piercing a tobacco tin (for use as a char tin) I have decided my next knife purchase will be in the £0-10 price range. Bit miffed, I wouldn't consider what I did abuse, so what am I paying for with an expensive knife other than fancy materials? My only conclusion is improper heat treat as the tip was both stout and obtuse in grind (not a fine edge)

Guess I'll be spending an hour or two re-profiling the tip of my knife!

Has anyone else come full circle? I no longer lust after expensive knives.
 

punkrockcaveman

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Jan 28, 2017
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Guess the only way to find out would be to do the same with a cheap knife?

Cutting metal is not something I would consider a job for a knife though to be honest. It's easy enough for bone to chip a knife, which I've had happen with mora's. Best use an awl, or a nail or something like that. Seasoned wood can sometimes be a hard enough material for a knife to cut.
 

Samon

Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
Mar 24, 2011
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If a £7 mora can do it.. well, fill in the rest. lol

So many good cheap knives out there too, not just the swedish plastic handled ones. Do the price decending option on fixed blades on popular knife websites and pick a few. Sure is cheaper to buy 5 'might be goods' to one expensive 'will be good!' that just breaks anyway.

Take a picture and send it to the makers, they may offer help or a refund. (I know I'd be hammering on their doors if something like that happened to me!)
 

chimpy leon

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Jul 29, 2013
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Over the last 5 years or so I've spent loads on relatively expensive production knives. And a not insignificant amount on import duty getting them to me.

Recently I've been having a purge of the stuff I don't need or use much. I'm now left with a few fixed blades I've handled, a few folders from the good make but cheaper end of the scale, a Skrama and about a dozen mostly carbon bladed Moras.

And my Favourite most useful and most versatile knife...










A Mora 711 that I bought 7 years ago from a Gamefair - 2 of them for £12

Had my Grail knife all that time :)
 

Reno Lewis

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Jul 27, 2012
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British Columbia, Canada
I love cheap knives. I have a box of 10 Hultafors HVKs, and 11 Mora 510's, not to mention various other models amounting to another 15+. They're great!

However, I have worn them out before. Not the blades, but the handles. Either split the plastic handles, or the blade just came loose from the handle. It happens after time.

For myself, I'm willing to put some real money into a single blade I can rely upon while in the wilderness. Something that I know will never come loose from the handle, or fail unexpectedly leaving me with a blade with no handle. Something I can strap on my hip and really trust to work for me, year after year. But care has to be taken to protect such a fine tool.

In my opinion, I don't think your tip should have failed, but I can see it blunting. Metal on metal is never a good thing. Especially not sharp metal on dull metal. Best to use an awl or a nail for punching holes in a tin.

If you want a cheaper knife you can rely upon a tad more than a common Mora or Hultafors, I can highly, highly recommend any of the budget puukkos using Lauri blades. Full length peened tangs, carbon steel, good sheaths, and usually just a bit more than a Mora in cost. Something like an Erapuu, Ahti or Iisakki Jarvenpaa.

To my mind, a good blade is an investment in my future. I enjoy having a blade I'm familiar with, of which I know all it's characteristics and nuances. It becomes a trusted friend.

Cheap knives are great. But there's just something impersonal about a plastic handled job which you throw away when you're done with it, only to pick up a new one... I tend to carry them as backups, or to use for rough cutting jobs around the house. Or, when I'm teaching someone to use a knife.

However, I'm a member of Ground Search and Rescue here in Canada, so when I go into the wilderness, whether on duty or on my own time, a time tested, trusted blade of stout construction is a good friend I feel naked without.
 

eraaij

Settler
Feb 18, 2004
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Arnhem
Nothing wrong with cheaper knives from usage perspective. That being said, the Mark Hill A.R.O.M in RWL-34 is still by far my used-and-abused favorite ;)
 

Tommyd345

Nomad
Feb 2, 2015
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Norfolk
I'm all about practicality, if a £10 knife will do the job as well as/better than a £100, then all for it! I'd rather abuse the £10 blade and learn it's absolute limits, then have another and you know where you stand with it. I have gone out my way to try and break moras in the past, they are really cracking knives, held up to all sorts!
 

Leshy

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Jun 14, 2016
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My inclination would be to email Bark River cutlery and give them a piece of my mind...

Over at BCUSA a while back i remember seeing a post or two about some Bark River knives failing and breaking , and some not keeping an edge for long...
Something to do with the heat treatment.

I think Bar River knives offered full replacements for their damaged knives , and found there was a bad batch somewhere...

It was a while back but I'm pretty sure they would not hesitate to give you a full replacement knife after a cordial and polite complaint email ...

Just my two cents...


Hope they sort it for you bud, I'd be gutted!

Especially as I've been drooling at this one

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Do let us know the outcome ....👍
 

Highbinder

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Jul 11, 2010
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In my opinion, I don't think your tip should have failed, but I can see it blunting

Yes that's it exactly.

Always a controversial topic, this isn't necessarily about BRK, but more knives in general. I've had, used, and sharpened, this knife for a few years now. Perhaps in some opinions I did misuse the tool, but when you are out camping you do not carry an awl, or a nail, you carry a knife. It's late but I'll snap a few pics of the knife and offending tin.

Leshy, I'm sure they'd re-profile the tip for me but shipping is shocking. I'd rather take it on myself as a learning experience.
 

Robson Valley

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Nov 24, 2014
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The bladesmiths buy their steel. Bad batches of steel are not unknown at all.
Then, the best of brands can have "quality control" issues.

So you break a plastic handle or three. Seems a great opportunity to learn to haft a blade.
You aren't in love with it. It's already broken. So mess with it.
 

Leshy

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Jun 14, 2016
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Leshy, I'm sure they'd re-profile the tip for me but shipping is shocking. I'd rather take it on myself as a learning experience.

Sure , good move either way.

Just never thought the tip would chip by sticking a hole in a tin...

But hey, as RV says .... its broken, Mess with it bud 👍👍
 
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Hibrion

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Jan 11, 2012
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Ireland
Cutting metal like that can be bad eveb woth a good knife, depending on the type of steel and grind. They all have weaknesses. Having said that the last custom I bought was from an ABS mastersmith, so I'm confident it'll stand up to more than a knife should have to and more than I'd be willing to put it through.

I don't think I'd bother with bark river now - it's either good quality factory stuff of real top-end customs, no in between.
I try to use the same philisophy for the stuff I make as I want in the stuff i buy: the best methods and the best materials will equal a higher price, but it'll be something you can be sure won't ever let you down.
 
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Nice65

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Apr 16, 2009
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After chipping the tip of my Bark River piercing a tobacco tin (for use as a char tin) I have decided my next knife purchase will be in the £0-10 price range. Bit miffed, I wouldn't consider what I did abuse, so what am I paying for with an expensive knife other than fancy materials? My only conclusion is improper heat treat as the tip was both stout and obtuse in grind (not a fine edge)

Guess I'll be spending an hour or two re-profiling the tip of my knife!

Has anyone else come full circle? I no longer lust after expensive knives.

Contact Bark River. I took a thumbnail size chunk out of my Canadian using it to baton a twisted pine log. I was honest about my stupidity, but Mike took it back and reground it for me. The company stands by their knives, and goes above and beyond.

I go full circle all the time, I love the Varusteleka knives, but get great pleasure from a recently bought Bushtool.
 

Big G

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Jul 3, 2015
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Cleveland UK
We've all done stupid things ie piecing cans or trying to cut the lid off a tin of beans lol.

I wouldn't attempt them these days especially with a expensive knife.

As been said.. contact the company.. they may send you a replacement knife.
 

Corso

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Aug 13, 2007
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I'm always an advocate of Mora knives even stretching to the price of the Kansbol hasn't been an issue for me but I would agree talk to Bark river and see what they say
 

Idleknight

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Aug 14, 2013
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Expensive knives its normally the materials and labour which make the price. Also the aftercare and support is usually better as they have a brand to protect.

I see knives like cars, my car will get me to work and let me get places and does what I need to do. If I did a more specialised type of driving I might need a 4x4 or something like that. I will never really need a better car. However I would still like an Aston Martin.
Same with Knives my mora will do everything I need, but I still look at more expensive knives.
 

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